0 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:10,000 == ×ÖÄ»ÖÆ×÷£ºÌ©Ì¹¾ÞÈË == 1 00:00:29,262 --> 00:00:31,230 [PigssqueaIing] 2 00:01:29,122 --> 00:01:31,249 MAN£º As President Reagan was preparing to deIiver 3 00:01:31,324 --> 00:01:33,258 his weekly radio address from Camp David 4 00:01:33,326 --> 00:01:35,123 he ad-libbed thoughts on the economy 5 00:01:35,195 --> 00:01:36,389 during a microphone check 6 00:01:36,496 --> 00:01:38,589 not intended to be part of his speech 7 00:01:38,698 --> 00:01:40,290 PRESlDENT REAGAN£º My fellow Americans 8 00:01:40,366 --> 00:01:43,267 l've talked to you about the economic problems 9 00:01:43,369 --> 00:01:46,031 and opportunities our nation faces 10 00:01:46,139 --> 00:01:48,107 l'm prepared to tell you it's a hell of mess 11 00:01:48,208 --> 00:01:50,676 The hard line being taken by the Reagan administration 12 00:01:50,777 --> 00:01:52,267 concerning the air controllers strike¡­ 13 00:01:52,378 --> 00:01:55,176 The Supreme Court delivered a potentially staggering setback 14 00:01:55,281 --> 00:01:56,009 to labor unions 15 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:58,209 lt comes at a time when union officials 16 00:01:58,318 --> 00:02:01,719 are charging there is a growing campaign to break unions 17 00:02:01,988 --> 00:02:03,717 MAN£º The operation will be nonunion 18 00:02:03,990 --> 00:02:05,753 Salaries will be cut in half 19 00:02:06,025 --> 00:02:08,050 MAN #2£º Wilson Foods declared bankruptcy 20 00:02:08,128 --> 00:02:10,756 With the stroke of a pen£¬ it could stay in business 21 00:02:10,997 --> 00:02:12,988 but void its labor contract 22 00:02:13,099 --> 00:02:15,761 and slash workers' salaries by 40% to 50% 23 00:02:16,002 --> 00:02:17,765 WOMAN£º These are hard times for the meatpacking industry 24 00:02:18,037 --> 00:02:21,200 MAN£º Union labor has taken almost 50% wage-and-benefit cuts 25 00:02:21,307 --> 00:02:24,743 to keep theirjobs and their companies afloat 26 00:02:25,011 --> 00:02:28,674 At least l'm taking some money home instead of nothing 27 00:02:28,748 --> 00:02:31,216 WOMAN£º ln Waterloo£¬ lowa£¬ a shutdown 28 00:02:31,284 --> 00:02:32,717 At lowa Beef£¬ a violent strike¡­ 29 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:35,287 MAN£º Striking meatpackers facing 40% pay cuts 30 00:02:35,388 --> 00:02:37,686 go packing bricks against a truck at a Wilson Foods plant 31 00:02:37,790 --> 00:02:41,191 RATHER£º Crossed picket lines in spite of an automobile barricade 32 00:02:41,294 --> 00:02:44,161 as Hormel's flagship plant£¬ open for a second week¡­ 33 00:02:44,264 --> 00:02:47,256 WOMAN£º ¡­send in the guards was reached after city officials 34 00:02:47,367 --> 00:02:50,530 said the situation at Hormel was beyond their control 35 00:02:50,637 --> 00:02:52,537 This is not Austin anymore£¡ 36 00:02:52,605 --> 00:02:54,072 lt's Hormel£¬ Minnesota£¡ 37 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:56,267 You guys are helping them£¡ 38 00:03:03,983 --> 00:03:06,349 [ Cheers and applause ] 39 00:03:10,056 --> 00:03:14,959 Austin£¬ Minnesota£¬ is not just about Austin£¬ Minnesota 40 00:03:15,061 --> 00:03:19,293 Austin is the cavalry. The workers in this nation 41 00:03:19,399 --> 00:03:25,463 Workers somewhere£¬ sometime£¬ someplace 42 00:03:25,572 --> 00:03:31,169 must stand up and say£¬ ¡°Enough is enough£¡¡± 43 00:03:31,277 --> 00:03:34,303 We want jobs and justice 44 00:03:40,453 --> 00:03:42,318 Someday 45 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:02,735 Can l give you a pamphlet here? 46 00:04:02,976 --> 00:04:07,003 So you can see what's going on in the Austin plant. Thank you 47 00:04:10,149 --> 00:04:14,108 Can l give you one ofthese about the Hormel injury rate? 48 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:16,017 -Okay£¬ thank you. -Thank you 49 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:24,495 Aren't you Mr. Anderson? 50 00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:27,122 Hi. l don't know ifyou remember me 51 00:04:27,233 --> 00:04:30,464 -We had the good years. -You did 52 00:04:30,570 --> 00:04:34,267 And this£¬ l sure hope it comes£¬ gets straightened out 53 00:04:34,374 --> 00:04:36,365 l'd like to see something settled 54 00:04:36,476 --> 00:04:39,468 And l understand your side of it 55 00:04:39,579 --> 00:04:42,980 l really do. l wouldn't like to take a cut either 56 00:04:43,049 --> 00:04:46,143 l wish everybody good luck 57 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:49,154 l hope they don't have trouble with the company 58 00:04:49,255 --> 00:04:53,749 l'm retired£¬ and if l were still working£¬ if l lost myjob 59 00:04:54,027 --> 00:04:56,461 that would be terrible 60 00:04:56,562 --> 00:04:57,756 MAN£º Could l talk to your husband? 61 00:04:58,031 --> 00:05:01,489 WOMAN£º No£¬ but there's something l would love to say to you 62 00:05:01,601 --> 00:05:05,298 Aren't you guys happy working at the Hormel plant? 63 00:05:05,405 --> 00:05:07,236 Under the current conditions£¬ no 64 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:11,334 We were happy making $10.69 and when Hormel treated us decent 65 00:05:11,444 --> 00:05:14,277 Why do you stay at a place you're not happy? 66 00:05:14,347 --> 00:05:17,248 We don't have all the money in the world like the Knowltons 67 00:05:17,350 --> 00:05:20,547 There are so many people that would love to have yourjob 68 00:05:20,653 --> 00:05:24,646 at $8.75 an hour and all those nice benefits 69 00:05:24,724 --> 00:05:27,989 When we were your age£¬ we weren't making what you were 70 00:05:28,094 --> 00:05:30,995 Then give us a fair shake like you got a fair shake 71 00:05:31,097 --> 00:05:33,031 [ Door closes ] 72 00:05:35,668 --> 00:05:36,965 Hmm 73 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:20,976 lfwe gotta give up 23% wages and 30% cut in benefits 74 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,378 when the company's making $30 million 75 00:06:23,449 --> 00:06:26,543 what are we gonna have to give when they show a loss? 76 00:06:29,589 --> 00:06:31,750 Two years ago under the incentive program 77 00:06:32,024 --> 00:06:35,960 my last incentive check in the hog cut in the new plant 78 00:06:36,028 --> 00:06:41,364 l grossed $637 for 47 hours' work 79 00:06:41,467 --> 00:06:45,335 After the incentive program was taken away 80 00:06:45,438 --> 00:06:48,339 l went down to $409 a week 81 00:06:49,509 --> 00:06:53,343 Today l'm making $312 82 00:06:53,446 --> 00:06:57,746 Working twice as hard for the same amount of hours 83 00:06:58,017 --> 00:06:59,575 lt's ridiculous 84 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:07,221 My father worked for George A. Hormel plant 85 00:07:07,326 --> 00:07:08,258 for many years 86 00:07:08,361 --> 00:07:11,524 He was also a very proud man. He was a hard worker 87 00:07:11,631 --> 00:07:13,292 He was proud of his products 88 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:15,264 He was in the days of heavy production 89 00:07:15,368 --> 00:07:19,270 He went out on a stretcher one day from the plant 90 00:07:19,372 --> 00:07:24,071 My husband now£¬ l'm proud to be a wife of a hog cutter 91 00:07:24,177 --> 00:07:25,974 l'm proud ofthe products 92 00:07:26,078 --> 00:07:28,410 But l don't like the way they're treating my family 93 00:07:28,514 --> 00:07:32,644 or my husband or anyone else who ever worked for that plant 94 00:07:32,752 --> 00:07:34,379 [ Cheers and applause ] 95 00:07:34,487 --> 00:07:37,217 JlM£º lt's a real quagmire of a situation 96 00:07:37,323 --> 00:07:40,258 and people are really getting hurt 97 00:07:44,363 --> 00:07:45,489 Their pride is hurt 98 00:07:45,565 --> 00:07:49,001 because they can't fulfill the needs oftheir family 99 00:07:49,068 --> 00:07:53,232 and they've somehow got to go on welfare programs 100 00:07:53,339 --> 00:07:57,275 and people are very angry£¬ hurt£¬ upset£¬ frustrated 101 00:07:57,376 --> 00:08:00,209 And it's difficult to vent your frustrations 102 00:08:00,313 --> 00:08:02,543 in the proper direction 103 00:08:02,648 --> 00:08:04,138 WOMAN£º Utility workers make more 104 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:05,683 Meter readers make more 105 00:08:05,952 --> 00:08:08,682 The garbage collectors make more 106 00:08:08,955 --> 00:08:12,516 A guy that works with Wes£¬ or did work with my husband quit 107 00:08:12,625 --> 00:08:14,149 He got hired at the city 108 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:17,093 He's starting at $11-something an hour 109 00:08:17,196 --> 00:08:18,720 But l don't begrudge anybody 110 00:08:18,998 --> 00:08:22,092 that's making $30£¬000£¬ $40£¬000£¬ $50£¬000 111 00:08:22,201 --> 00:08:24,499 But let us live in our house 112 00:08:24,604 --> 00:08:27,539 Let us live in our $32£¬000 house 113 00:08:37,583 --> 00:08:44,318 & And that we all may walk in faith & 114 00:08:44,423 --> 00:08:48,553 & ln yourcommunity & 115 00:08:48,661 --> 00:08:50,652 NYBERG£º ln Austin£¬ 22£¬000 people 116 00:08:50,763 --> 00:08:53,493 We're in a little world by ourselves down here 117 00:08:53,566 --> 00:08:55,500 These are the people we go to church with 118 00:08:55,568 --> 00:08:57,729 These are the people we go to grocery stores with 119 00:08:58,004 --> 00:08:59,767 We meet on the street 120 00:08:59,972 --> 00:09:02,566 We meet in various forms of recreation 121 00:09:02,675 --> 00:09:06,577 We rub shoulders with them. Do we care about our employees? 122 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,306 Yes£¬ we do 123 00:09:08,414 --> 00:09:10,041 But in the long term 124 00:09:10,149 --> 00:09:12,982 we don't want to go the way of many other packers 125 00:09:13,085 --> 00:09:17,215 who realized too late that their costs were out of line 126 00:09:17,323 --> 00:09:20,224 and then tried to recover and couldn't 127 00:09:32,071 --> 00:09:33,436 FlLM NARRATOR: lt's been written thatJay 128 00:09:33,506 --> 00:09:34,598 was a born innovator 129 00:09:34,707 --> 00:09:37,005 andremembered forhis social conscience 130 00:09:37,109 --> 00:09:39,134 His thoughtful understanding of 131 00:09:39,245 --> 00:09:42,078 andconcern forthe welfare ofthe working man 132 00:09:42,181 --> 00:09:44,581 was surely whatgave rise to the benefits 133 00:09:44,684 --> 00:09:48,120 thathave been made available to Hormelpersonnel 134 00:09:48,220 --> 00:09:51,053 He initiated the first guaranteedannual wage 135 00:09:51,123 --> 00:09:52,750 There was also a first-of-its-kind 136 00:09:53,025 --> 00:09:54,993 profit-sharing plan forthe workers 137 00:09:55,094 --> 00:09:57,756 thatpaida share of the profits to each ofthem 138 00:09:57,997 --> 00:10:00,431 Perhaps thatexplains whyeveryone atHormel 139 00:10:00,533 --> 00:10:04,094 strives forquality andefficiency 140 00:10:04,203 --> 00:10:09,300 WOMAN£º l've worked for Hormel£¬ it'll be 43 years this year 141 00:10:10,810 --> 00:10:17,545 And if it were necessary as a survival 142 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:20,552 l would be all for it 143 00:10:20,653 --> 00:10:25,113 We've done it before over the many£¬ many times 144 00:10:25,191 --> 00:10:29,491 But this£¬ l think£¬ is just the mood ofthe industry 145 00:10:29,595 --> 00:10:31,722 and they're jumping on the bandwagon 146 00:10:31,831 --> 00:10:35,164 to be one ofthem to say£¬ ¡°We were able to do it£¬ too.¡± 147 00:10:35,267 --> 00:10:39,169 Where£¬ l think£¬ ifthey would have left our wages 148 00:10:39,238 --> 00:10:41,604 at their present standard 149 00:10:41,707 --> 00:10:46,371 people would have really used them as a shining example 150 00:10:46,479 --> 00:10:50,711 that in hard times£¬ ifyou really have good productivity 151 00:10:50,816 --> 00:10:53,614 good relationship with your employees 152 00:10:53,686 --> 00:10:57,622 that you're able to handle the bad times 153 00:10:57,690 --> 00:11:00,420 l hope that they have enough ofthe vision 154 00:11:00,493 --> 00:11:03,326 that l think l must have for the welfare 155 00:11:03,429 --> 00:11:05,659 ofthe long-term future ofthe company 156 00:11:05,765 --> 00:11:09,292 that would say£¬ ¡°We can do no more.¡± 157 00:11:09,402 --> 00:11:12,963 lf Jay Hormel were here today£¬ if George A. Hormel were here 158 00:11:13,072 --> 00:11:16,007 they probably would be doing exactly the same thing 159 00:11:16,075 --> 00:11:17,474 that we are 160 00:11:25,618 --> 00:11:28,712 l think unions are getting their teeth kicked in 161 00:11:28,821 --> 00:11:32,120 l think ifyou're into a situation 162 00:11:32,224 --> 00:11:34,249 ofwhere you're getting beat up 163 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,658 you better try something different 164 00:11:36,729 --> 00:11:40,187 MAN£º Corporate campaigns initiated by Ray Rogers¡­ 165 00:11:40,299 --> 00:11:41,664 MAN #2£º Rogers has been used to targeting 166 00:11:41,767 --> 00:11:43,098 one enemy£¬ the employer 167 00:11:43,202 --> 00:11:45,432 MAN #3£º Rogers brought his Corporate Campaign here¡­ 168 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:49,269 JlM£º We were very ineffective in communicating our message 169 00:11:49,375 --> 00:11:51,104 MAN #4£º He managed to attract reporters 170 00:11:51,210 --> 00:11:53,178 from the ¡°New York Times£¬¡± the ¡°Chicago Tribune¡±¡­ 171 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:57,147 JlM£º l ran across an article on Ray Rogers and gave him a call 172 00:11:57,249 --> 00:11:59,046 MAN #5£º Tough-talking labor consultant¡­ 173 00:11:59,151 --> 00:12:01,711 JlM£º He said he needed to do a little research 174 00:12:01,987 --> 00:12:04,353 because he was a vegetarian 175 00:12:04,457 --> 00:12:07,051 didn't know anything about meatpacking 176 00:12:10,496 --> 00:12:13,954 Ray came and made a presentation to our membership 177 00:12:17,103 --> 00:12:20,231 RAY£º We will run a multimillion dollar campaign 178 00:12:20,339 --> 00:12:24,503 even though you don't have millions of dollars 179 00:12:24,610 --> 00:12:27,579 The greatest resource£¬ the greatest strength you have 180 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:30,171 is the people themselves 181 00:12:30,282 --> 00:12:32,216 And that's why we feel so confident 182 00:12:32,318 --> 00:12:34,616 that we can pull off a major victory 183 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,018 not just for Local P-9 in Austin 184 00:12:37,089 --> 00:12:39,649 but for labor throughout this entire country 185 00:13:06,719 --> 00:13:08,550 -Congratulations£¬ partner. -Yeah 186 00:13:08,654 --> 00:13:11,088 The price of pokerjust went up 187 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:14,626 ln this game£¬ because that's the way the company views it 188 00:13:14,727 --> 00:13:18,128 lt's a game the way they want to treat people 189 00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:20,596 hold their whole lives in jeopardy 190 00:13:20,699 --> 00:13:23,259 And to them£¬ it might be a game 191 00:13:23,369 --> 00:13:26,668 And to us£¬ it's a war 192 00:13:26,772 --> 00:13:28,706 Things can really start moving now 193 00:13:28,808 --> 00:13:31,777 Super. That's just really nice 194 00:13:33,012 --> 00:13:36,379 And we hope that the corporate executives from Hormel come 195 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:38,746 We hope the executives from the bank come 196 00:13:39,018 --> 00:13:41,384 We want everybody to see the type of program 197 00:13:41,487 --> 00:13:42,647 that we plan on running 198 00:13:42,755 --> 00:13:46,247 and then let them begin to lose the night's sleep 199 00:13:46,325 --> 00:13:50,159 like they've caused this community to lose sleep 200 00:13:51,697 --> 00:13:53,062 [ Chanting ] We're gonna win£¡ 201 00:13:53,165 --> 00:13:55,463 We're gonna win£¡ We're gonna win£¡ 202 00:13:55,534 --> 00:13:58,526 We're gonna win£¡ We're gonna win£¡ 203 00:14:05,611 --> 00:14:08,273 RAY£º On our staff£¬ we have experts in all facets 204 00:14:08,347 --> 00:14:11,942 of research and analysis£¬ communications experts 205 00:14:12,051 --> 00:14:14,019 and experts in all facets 206 00:14:14,119 --> 00:14:15,711 of political and community organization 207 00:14:15,988 --> 00:14:19,389 We looked out there in society and saw poor and working people 208 00:14:19,491 --> 00:14:20,719 getting the daylights kicked out ofthem 209 00:14:20,993 --> 00:14:24,394 We felt there had to be a mechanism that they and unions 210 00:14:24,496 --> 00:14:26,123 and community groups could turn to 211 00:14:26,232 --> 00:14:29,099 that had a lot of expertise in how to challenge 212 00:14:29,201 --> 00:14:31,226 powerful adversaries that were irresponsible 213 00:14:31,337 --> 00:14:32,964 in the policies directed at workers 214 00:14:33,072 --> 00:14:35,302 So we developed Corporate Campaign programs 215 00:14:35,407 --> 00:14:38,205 And our campaign is one oftaking the offense 216 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:40,210 showing that workers can fight back 217 00:14:40,312 --> 00:14:43,645 That they don't have to keep taking one loss after another 218 00:14:45,417 --> 00:14:47,146 You know what we need to do 219 00:14:47,253 --> 00:14:51,212 JlM£º Ray told me you're never going to outspend a company 220 00:14:51,323 --> 00:14:53,348 public-relations-wise 221 00:14:53,459 --> 00:14:56,189 My name is Ray Rogers. l'm with Corporate Campaign 222 00:14:56,295 --> 00:14:57,990 JlM£º That what you needed to do 223 00:14:58,097 --> 00:14:59,758 was look at creating a situation 224 00:14:59,832 --> 00:15:02,392 that became a newsworthy situation 225 00:15:02,501 --> 00:15:06,460 The company spent millions in many years to build an image 226 00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:08,062 That's being destroyed overnight 227 00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:11,234 JlM£º The strategy was to go after the money 228 00:15:11,343 --> 00:15:12,503 behind the corporation 229 00:15:12,611 --> 00:15:15,273 There's a lot of labor money in First Bank's system 230 00:15:15,381 --> 00:15:17,076 MAN£º Ray Rogers and his Corporate Campaign 231 00:15:17,182 --> 00:15:20,640 mailed this letter to over 5£¬000 union members in the Midwest 232 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:23,119 that says in part the First Bank system 233 00:15:23,188 --> 00:15:25,748 is a principal stockholder in the Hormel company 234 00:15:26,025 --> 00:15:28,084 and thus can influence policy 235 00:15:28,193 --> 00:15:30,661 This institution is directly involved 236 00:15:30,763 --> 00:15:32,993 in the policymaking process of Hormel 237 00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:37,626 JlM£º Ray knows how to put labor's best foot forward 238 00:15:37,736 --> 00:15:41,297 so that John Q. Public would sympathize with our cause 239 00:15:41,407 --> 00:15:44,137 There's some guy l'd never seen 240 00:15:44,243 --> 00:15:46,734 They started talking to me about that Hormel situation 241 00:15:47,012 --> 00:15:50,072 The guy says£¬ Are you the guy that's been brought in? 242 00:15:50,182 --> 00:15:51,274 Man£¬ l'm telling you 243 00:15:51,383 --> 00:15:54,216 you can't imagine how many of my friends are watching this 244 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,548 We're 100% behind you 245 00:15:55,654 --> 00:15:57,383 You're teaching this country something 246 00:15:57,489 --> 00:15:59,150 And£¬ by God£¬ you gotta win 247 00:15:59,224 --> 00:16:01,249 This is what l'm getting everywhere 248 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,193 You are a symbol of something that goes beyond Austin 249 00:16:04,296 --> 00:16:05,661 Don't you forget it 250 00:16:09,401 --> 00:16:13,132 Local P-9 engaged the services of a labor consultant 251 00:16:13,238 --> 00:16:15,399 from New York City 252 00:16:15,507 --> 00:16:19,102 Mr. Ray Rogers and Corporate Campaign 253 00:16:19,211 --> 00:16:22,078 And Mr. Rogers has a different philosophy 254 00:16:22,147 --> 00:16:24,445 about how to deal with companies 255 00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:26,074 Traditional collective bargaining 256 00:16:26,185 --> 00:16:30,144 is not the preferred method that he would use 257 00:16:30,255 --> 00:16:34,385 His traditional approaches are harassment£¬ intimidation 258 00:16:34,493 --> 00:16:36,222 and threats 259 00:16:36,328 --> 00:16:39,661 And his rationale for that mode of approaching an employer 260 00:16:39,732 --> 00:16:42,098 is that ifyou can embarrass a company 261 00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:44,192 hard enough and long enough 262 00:16:44,303 --> 00:16:46,396 you'll bring that company to its knees 263 00:16:46,505 --> 00:16:49,338 And they will agree to the terms and conditions 264 00:16:49,441 --> 00:16:52,501 of his client unions£¬ the ones that he represents 265 00:16:52,611 --> 00:16:55,444 So he came to us with that approach 266 00:16:57,182 --> 00:17:00,151 There's supposed to be some other pigs here today 267 00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:04,178 CROWD£º We don't need First Bank's greed£¡ 268 00:17:04,289 --> 00:17:07,690 lf anybody doesn't have a sign£¬ just grab a sign here 269 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,157 CROWD£º We don't need First Bank's greed£¡ 270 00:17:11,263 --> 00:17:13,731 From day to day£¬ you get to be 271 00:17:13,999 --> 00:17:16,194 on a high like today with everybody here 272 00:17:16,301 --> 00:17:19,634 But when you go home and nobody's around you 273 00:17:19,738 --> 00:17:21,000 you tend to get down 274 00:17:21,106 --> 00:17:23,267 But then you get back up when you go back 275 00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:25,366 to the union hall and start helping 276 00:17:25,477 --> 00:17:27,035 Then you get up again 277 00:17:27,146 --> 00:17:29,614 We're on the right side ofthings 278 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:32,684 People are realizing we're willing to fight that fight 279 00:17:32,785 --> 00:17:35,117 People recognize that the labor movement 280 00:17:35,187 --> 00:17:36,984 being a key factor ifwe're gonna have 281 00:17:37,089 --> 00:17:41,355 any real meaningful social -- economic -- Cut 282 00:17:51,103 --> 00:17:53,765 NARRATOR£º Are you afraid of Corporate Campaign? 283 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:55,370 We're not 284 00:17:55,474 --> 00:17:57,704 What happens ifthey persist? 285 00:17:57,810 --> 00:18:00,210 Well£¬ l don't know 286 00:18:00,312 --> 00:18:03,110 With our position£¬ l don't know what they can do 287 00:18:03,215 --> 00:18:08,175 l realize that they can say a lot ofthings 288 00:18:08,287 --> 00:18:10,278 but they can't do a lot ofthings 289 00:18:10,389 --> 00:18:14,086 And l think it's tragic£¬ because the only thing they end up doing 290 00:18:14,193 --> 00:18:16,388 is destroying theirjobs and their company 291 00:18:16,495 --> 00:18:19,055 MAN£º Thank you all very much. Appreciate it 292 00:18:42,254 --> 00:18:44,449 NARRATOR: The UnitedFood and Commercial Workers 293 00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:49,550 is the parent union ofAustin's local union P-9 294 00:18:50,362 --> 00:18:54,059 The Local 9 will suffer as a result of it 295 00:18:54,166 --> 00:18:55,633 They can't negotiate by themselves 296 00:18:55,701 --> 00:18:59,467 Lewie Anderson is the director ofthe meatpacking division 297 00:18:59,571 --> 00:19:02,472 And they say£¬ This company is a profitable company 298 00:19:02,574 --> 00:19:06,203 and nothing else in the universe matters 299 00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:08,006 We have a right to our $10.69 300 00:19:08,113 --> 00:19:10,013 We have a right to those benefits 301 00:19:10,115 --> 00:19:11,412 That's their thinking 302 00:19:11,517 --> 00:19:15,954 To go even beyond that there£¬ they are convinced by Ray Rogers 303 00:19:16,054 --> 00:19:19,546 that the Corporate Campaign will achieve that goal for them 304 00:19:19,625 --> 00:19:22,594 He shot them a line of shit£¬ is all he did 305 00:19:22,661 --> 00:19:24,356 The plain fact ofthe matter is 306 00:19:24,463 --> 00:19:26,693 there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever 307 00:19:26,965 --> 00:19:31,334 they are not going to win through a corporate campaign 308 00:19:31,436 --> 00:19:33,131 They are not gonna win 309 00:19:33,238 --> 00:19:35,536 lfthey continue£¬ they're gonna become bigger losers 310 00:19:35,641 --> 00:19:37,165 than what they are now 311 00:19:37,276 --> 00:19:39,506 lt is gonna cost them theirjobs 312 00:19:39,578 --> 00:19:43,275 lnstead of making $8.25 an hour£¬ or $9.25 an hour¡­ 313 00:19:43,382 --> 00:19:44,508 MAN ON RADlO£º Good one by Glen Campbell 314 00:19:44,616 --> 00:19:46,208 lt's time for the song of inspiration 315 00:19:46,318 --> 00:19:48,047 brought to you by your friends 316 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:51,214 at Omaha Auto and Truck Recyclers Association 317 00:19:51,290 --> 00:19:53,258 lt used to be you always had problems 318 00:19:53,325 --> 00:19:56,021 You always had one or two local unions 319 00:19:56,128 --> 00:19:59,188 that were going through real serious problems 320 00:19:59,298 --> 00:20:03,359 but you had some time to think about it and to work with them 321 00:20:03,468 --> 00:20:07,131 and stay with them and help them work through those problems 322 00:20:07,239 --> 00:20:09,332 But what you've had in the last five years 323 00:20:09,408 --> 00:20:11,501 is everybody's had problems 324 00:20:11,610 --> 00:20:13,339 They've had them all at the same time 325 00:20:13,445 --> 00:20:16,778 You're just running all over the country in all directions 326 00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:18,209 trying to patch things up 327 00:20:18,283 --> 00:20:20,274 and get things going in the right direction 328 00:20:20,385 --> 00:20:22,114 Then you don't get to stay 329 00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:25,418 You have to go deal with another crisis 330 00:20:25,524 --> 00:20:28,015 The companies in this industry are embarked on a program 331 00:20:28,126 --> 00:20:31,220 to tear the wages up£¬ to tear the fringe benefits up 332 00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:35,596 to return us to the days of ¡°The Jungle¡± 60 years ago 333 00:20:35,701 --> 00:20:37,669 Do the unions have any clout? 334 00:20:37,736 --> 00:20:40,671 Does the public care about the unions anymore? 335 00:20:43,375 --> 00:20:47,175 Can the unions sell this message? 336 00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:52,282 CROWD£º Go£¡ 337 00:20:52,384 --> 00:20:54,079 Go£¡ Go£¡ 338 00:20:54,186 --> 00:20:56,586 Go£¡ Go£¡ 339 00:21:01,226 --> 00:21:03,126 Local unions like P-9 340 00:21:03,228 --> 00:21:06,629 have complete autonomy to carryon all union business 341 00:21:06,732 --> 00:21:08,427 as long as theydon't violate 342 00:21:08,533 --> 00:21:11,024 theirinternational constitution 343 00:21:11,136 --> 00:21:15,505 The lnternational Union can onlygive strategic advice 344 00:21:15,607 --> 00:21:18,201 MAN£º What can you do that we can't do? 345 00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:20,369 -So far£¬ l haven't seen much. -Really? 346 00:21:20,479 --> 00:21:22,470 -[ Crowd groans ] -There's your answer 347 00:21:22,581 --> 00:21:24,276 No£¬ l want you to answer that 348 00:21:24,383 --> 00:21:26,044 l want you to answer that 349 00:21:26,151 --> 00:21:28,346 You're reading too many things 350 00:21:28,453 --> 00:21:30,978 about what Lewie Anderson and other people are saying 351 00:21:31,089 --> 00:21:34,456 -You're dodging the question. -l'm not dodging the question 352 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,151 That's a question that was asked 353 00:21:36,261 --> 00:21:37,455 l'm not gonna answer it 354 00:21:37,562 --> 00:21:38,756 What you do not have 355 00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:41,060 what the lnternational has not furnished 356 00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:43,464 what you have not furnished is the analysis 357 00:21:43,535 --> 00:21:47,403 upon which you build a program of real£¬ impenetrable economic 358 00:21:47,506 --> 00:21:49,667 and political pressure£¬ harassing the company 359 00:21:49,741 --> 00:21:53,040 We have developed some damn good campaign literature 360 00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:55,238 l haven't seen anybody from the lnternational 361 00:21:55,347 --> 00:21:57,281 come and give you that kind of direction 362 00:21:57,382 --> 00:21:59,179 or campaign literature 363 00:21:59,284 --> 00:22:01,718 One thing l'll credit you. You're a hell of a motivator 364 00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:06,048 Millions of dollars worth offree and positive publicity 365 00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:08,718 for your campaign£¬ national press coverage 366 00:22:08,794 --> 00:22:10,193 Yes£¬ you have£¡ 367 00:22:12,497 --> 00:22:14,124 And that's your answer 368 00:22:16,301 --> 00:22:16,960 All right 369 00:22:26,211 --> 00:22:26,506 Hi 370 00:22:26,611 --> 00:22:29,637 Hi. Are you with P-9? 371 00:22:29,748 --> 00:22:30,339 Mm-hmm 372 00:22:30,449 --> 00:22:32,178 Okay 373 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:39,119 ls what Local 9 proposing up there 374 00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:42,557 with the Corporate Campaign the answer to the problems 375 00:22:42,661 --> 00:22:44,993 we have seen in the meatpacking industry in the past 376 00:22:45,097 --> 00:22:49,193 and the challenges that we're faced for the future? 377 00:22:49,301 --> 00:22:51,462 Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do£¬ too 378 00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:54,437 Are you saying that regardless ofwhat is decided 379 00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:58,441 by this organization£¬ you're going to go ahead 380 00:22:58,543 --> 00:23:00,977 with that campaign as you've outlined it? 381 00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:04,538 lfthe rank and file dictates they're gonna resist pay cuts 382 00:23:04,649 --> 00:23:07,709 we're gonna resist the pay cuts 383 00:23:07,986 --> 00:23:13,014 And l guess we would like to see you on our side in this fight 384 00:23:13,091 --> 00:23:14,718 The Austin program£¬ it occurs to us 385 00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:17,421 is symptomatic of Reagan's philosophy 386 00:23:17,529 --> 00:23:21,226 ¡°l'll get mine£¬ and the hell with everybody else.¡± 387 00:23:21,299 --> 00:23:23,699 RAY£º Maybe we shouldn't expect every meatpacker 388 00:23:23,802 --> 00:23:26,066 to receive the same wage 389 00:23:26,171 --> 00:23:28,230 Maybe we need to look at each company and say 390 00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:30,672 ¡°What is the profitability ofthe company?¡± 391 00:23:30,776 --> 00:23:34,234 Then base the wages that we expect on its profitability 392 00:23:34,346 --> 00:23:37,747 God damn it£¬ the guy working at Armour£¬ $6 bucks an hour 393 00:23:38,016 --> 00:23:40,416 doing the same work they're doing in Austin 394 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,043 deserves the $10.69£¬ too 395 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,213 as well as every other packinghouse worker£¡ 396 00:23:44,322 --> 00:23:47,052 That is what we stand for. That is what we gotta do 397 00:23:47,159 --> 00:23:50,287 We cannot have one group hanging way up here 398 00:23:50,395 --> 00:23:52,522 and everybody else down below 399 00:23:52,631 --> 00:23:55,122 lt's the wrong kind of unionism 400 00:23:55,233 --> 00:23:58,066 We're here saying£¬ you know£¬ we've got a program 401 00:23:58,170 --> 00:24:01,571 We're representing a client and a large group of people 402 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,437 We're gonna continue to represent them 403 00:24:03,542 --> 00:24:05,442 as long as they want us to 404 00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:08,308 MAN£º Why won't the lnternational support the Hormel workers? 405 00:24:08,413 --> 00:24:11,246 ls $10.69 an hour too much? 406 00:24:11,349 --> 00:24:14,113 Look£¬ l worked in those packinghouses 407 00:24:14,219 --> 00:24:17,313 l worked for a very antiunion employer as a beef skinner 408 00:24:17,422 --> 00:24:19,185 so l know what that work is 409 00:24:19,257 --> 00:24:22,385 And they deserve $10.69-plus£¬ believe me 410 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:24,656 One ofthe things that Local 9 has said 411 00:24:24,763 --> 00:24:26,253 to the Packing Committee 412 00:24:26,364 --> 00:24:29,128 is£¬ Well£¬ ifwe can get $10.69 there 413 00:24:29,234 --> 00:24:31,998 that's the shining star£¬ and everybody will go to that 414 00:24:32,103 --> 00:24:33,502 But l gotta tell you 415 00:24:33,605 --> 00:24:36,096 in some 10 or 15 years of our experience 416 00:24:36,174 --> 00:24:37,232 that's not the case 417 00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:38,640 One oftwo things happens 418 00:24:38,743 --> 00:24:42,235 Those operators on the low end ofthe scale get bigger 419 00:24:42,347 --> 00:24:45,475 or those on the high end ofthat wage scale 420 00:24:45,550 --> 00:24:48,280 say£¬ ¡°The hell with it£¬¡± and they go out of business 421 00:24:48,386 --> 00:24:50,684 or they close this plant and go down the road 422 00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:53,724 and open up a plant at $5.00 or $6.00 an hour 423 00:24:53,825 --> 00:24:55,383 That would be great ifwe could do that 424 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:57,724 l'd be the first to say£¬ ¡°Let's do it.¡± 425 00:24:57,829 --> 00:24:59,729 But it don't work that way 426 00:25:01,032 --> 00:25:04,229 We came into this thing alone£¬ and we'll go out alone 427 00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:08,572 l want to tell you£¬ l am disgusted 428 00:25:08,673 --> 00:25:11,665 to be even associated with this organization 429 00:25:11,776 --> 00:25:12,708 You've got to 430 00:25:12,978 --> 00:25:15,310 John£¬ take your pen ifyou're disgusted 431 00:25:15,413 --> 00:25:18,746 Yeah. You've got a lot of gutless people here 432 00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:21,379 JlM£º We pleaded with the National Union 433 00:25:21,486 --> 00:25:24,148 that ifthey couldn't support us£¬ get out ofthe way 434 00:25:24,256 --> 00:25:27,089 lfyou're gonna get in the way and run interference for Hormel 435 00:25:27,192 --> 00:25:29,319 then we're gonna go right through you ifwe have to 436 00:25:39,437 --> 00:25:43,567 So you've got the lnternational Union looking at it and saying 437 00:25:43,642 --> 00:25:45,542 lfthese people are successful 438 00:25:45,644 --> 00:25:48,010 they may find that an lnternational Union 439 00:25:48,113 --> 00:25:49,011 isn't necessary 440 00:25:49,114 --> 00:25:52,675 and all they need is a labor consultant from time to time 441 00:26:00,158 --> 00:26:01,648 LEWlE£º Now we have a situation 442 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:07,096 where some ofthe people from Local 9 and Ray Rogers 443 00:26:07,198 --> 00:26:10,361 have a caravan roaming across the country 444 00:26:10,468 --> 00:26:14,165 spieling out some of the most antiunion venom 445 00:26:14,272 --> 00:26:17,730 JlM£º Our caravan was designed to tell people what was going on 446 00:26:18,009 --> 00:26:20,239 from workers just like themselves 447 00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:21,676 We had the facts 448 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:23,941 We had the information to back it up 449 00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:26,540 We were gonna tell it to them£¬ give it to them 450 00:26:26,651 --> 00:26:29,142 read it to them£¬ sing it£¬ whatever it took 451 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,279 RAY£º $100£¬000 expense account 452 00:26:31,356 --> 00:26:34,382 and Lewie Anderson was making his $70£¬000-plus salary 453 00:26:34,492 --> 00:26:35,652 and his lavish expense account 454 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,728 lfyou think when the public sees that 455 00:26:37,996 --> 00:26:39,520 that they understand the complexities 456 00:26:39,631 --> 00:26:42,691 ofwhat's going on in Austin£¬ Minnesota 457 00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,758 All they see is 200 or 300 people 458 00:26:45,036 --> 00:26:47,061 screaming how the union is no good 459 00:26:47,172 --> 00:26:49,106 We're not like some other locals 460 00:26:49,174 --> 00:26:52,041 Our membership told us they didn't want that agreement 461 00:26:52,143 --> 00:26:53,576 by a 76% vote 462 00:26:53,678 --> 00:26:55,339 Get the Hormel chain settlement 463 00:26:55,447 --> 00:26:57,312 Do you think the vice-president 464 00:26:57,415 --> 00:26:59,576 of an international union ought tell you 465 00:26:59,684 --> 00:27:00,946 you ought to take a concession 466 00:27:01,052 --> 00:27:04,146 with by far the most profitable company in an industry? 467 00:27:04,255 --> 00:27:07,383 LEWlE£º Antiunionism is oozing out of our own ranks 468 00:27:07,492 --> 00:27:10,427 That'll destroy us quicker than anything will 469 00:27:20,739 --> 00:27:23,435 l know this is definitely a union-made tent 470 00:27:23,541 --> 00:27:26,669 JlM£º People who believe in what they're doing 471 00:27:26,778 --> 00:27:29,645 are the most dangerous kind offolks in the world 472 00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:32,478 The union there. 52 in Monroe and this one 473 00:27:32,584 --> 00:27:36,111 We'll go hit the banks£¬ and then we'll go on to Ottumwa 474 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:40,090 MAN£º l want to thank all you guys from P-9 475 00:27:40,158 --> 00:27:43,594 because you have performed a miracle 476 00:27:43,695 --> 00:27:46,186 for the Hormel employees of Ottumwa 477 00:27:50,235 --> 00:27:51,725 l can look out in this crowd 478 00:27:52,003 --> 00:27:54,972 and see at least 40 guys and girls 479 00:27:55,073 --> 00:27:57,769 that down at work for the past seven years 480 00:27:58,043 --> 00:28:01,137 have looked like they were dead 481 00:28:01,246 --> 00:28:05,273 And you have resurrected them to life 482 00:28:07,619 --> 00:28:09,382 Hey£¬ listen£¬ thanks a lot 483 00:28:09,454 --> 00:28:11,251 Good talking to you 484 00:28:11,356 --> 00:28:14,382 JlM£º We're creating a situation where the membership 485 00:28:14,459 --> 00:28:17,257 is starting to dictate to the leadership 486 00:28:17,328 --> 00:28:22,129 ¡°Support these guys because we believe in what they're doing.¡± 487 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,102 lf making less money is so good 488 00:28:26,204 --> 00:28:29,640 but people don't want to do it£¬ why should they have to do it? 489 00:28:29,741 --> 00:28:30,605 [ Horn honking ] 490 00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:32,472 WOMAN: & Hormel hotdogs & 491 00:28:32,577 --> 00:28:35,444 & We don'tlike Hormel and theirhotdogs & 492 00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:36,536 P-9 thanks you 493 00:28:36,648 --> 00:28:38,582 We'll be back£¡ 494 00:28:38,683 --> 00:28:40,412 Yeah£¡ 495 00:28:47,492 --> 00:28:50,256 LEWlE£º They have a machine in place to make you 496 00:28:50,361 --> 00:28:51,953 look like you don't know what you're talking about 497 00:28:52,063 --> 00:28:53,655 or carrying the company message 498 00:28:53,765 --> 00:28:55,733 Rogers and Guyette£¬ with their machine 499 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,696 have a firm grip on that situation 500 00:28:58,803 --> 00:29:00,703 lfyou want to gain your union back 501 00:29:00,972 --> 00:29:04,203 you're gonna have to recognize what you're up against 502 00:29:04,309 --> 00:29:07,073 This meeting is somewhat clandestine in that 503 00:29:07,178 --> 00:29:09,408 ifyou're going to put together a committee 504 00:29:09,514 --> 00:29:12,278 then you need time to get it offthe ground 505 00:29:12,383 --> 00:29:14,908 without them branding you at this moment 506 00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:16,384 that the lnternational is behind it 507 00:29:16,488 --> 00:29:19,616 lt started with four of us that met two weeks ago with Lewie 508 00:29:19,724 --> 00:29:23,057 lt started offwith that group. We expanded to 16 509 00:29:23,161 --> 00:29:25,925 Now we're going to go in a meeting here 510 00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:30,296 All of us are gonna try to sing offthe same sheet of music 511 00:29:30,401 --> 00:29:32,596 Hopefully£¬ you'll be able to go back to Austin 512 00:29:32,704 --> 00:29:34,035 Once we get the ball rolling 513 00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:36,369 we'll all be provided with information 514 00:29:36,474 --> 00:29:38,203 RAY£º So when anybody is attacking 515 00:29:38,309 --> 00:29:40,038 what this campaign is doing 516 00:29:40,145 --> 00:29:42,409 attacking anybody working in this group 517 00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:44,539 and has done anything for this campaign 518 00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:47,174 they're attacking every one of us 519 00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:49,480 WOMAN£º What are we doing that's so antiunion? 520 00:29:49,587 --> 00:29:54,524 l see more union people here and more support than l do anywhere 521 00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:57,561 That's not antiunion. That's going forward 522 00:29:57,662 --> 00:29:59,527 l want to be a union ofthe '80s 523 00:30:04,569 --> 00:30:07,231 l want to welcome all our guests 524 00:30:07,338 --> 00:30:11,069 visitors£¬ friends£¬ and everyone that is here today 525 00:30:11,176 --> 00:30:13,542 We have representatives from the Hormel locals 526 00:30:13,611 --> 00:30:17,547 in Fremont£¬ Beloit£¬ Ottumwa 527 00:30:18,616 --> 00:30:22,518 We've got our friends from Farmstead Foods and Albert Lea 528 00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:25,646 steelworkers from the lron Range 529 00:30:25,757 --> 00:30:27,725 representatives from the Teamsters 530 00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:30,226 Through good organization£¬ good communications 531 00:30:30,328 --> 00:30:32,319 we're able to wage a campaign 532 00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:34,694 that even the biggest unions in the country 533 00:30:34,766 --> 00:30:36,757 have not been able to wage 534 00:30:37,035 --> 00:30:38,263 Are you willing to stand up and fight? 535 00:30:38,369 --> 00:30:39,358 CROWD£º Yeah£¡ 536 00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:42,064 Let's stand up£¡ 537 00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:43,299 Give me a ¡°W¡±£¡ 538 00:30:43,408 --> 00:30:45,137 -¡°Give me an ¡±l¡°£¡ -¡±l£¡ 539 00:30:45,243 --> 00:30:46,676 -Give me an ¡°N¡±£¡ -¡°N¡±£¡ 540 00:30:46,778 --> 00:30:48,712 -What do you got? -Win£¡ 541 00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:50,304 We're gonna win it£¡ 542 00:30:50,415 --> 00:30:52,315 -Yeah£¡ -We're gonna win it£¡ 543 00:30:52,417 --> 00:30:53,679 MAN£º To some£¬ he is a prophet 544 00:30:53,785 --> 00:30:56,083 A messiah who has assembled the tools 545 00:30:56,187 --> 00:30:58,178 that can bring corporate giants to their knees 546 00:30:58,289 --> 00:31:01,554 MAN£º This man is a organizational genius 547 00:31:01,659 --> 00:31:04,753 There's no getting around that. He's got all the bases covered 548 00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:08,055 People are playing pool£¬ they're getting together 549 00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:10,532 There's a lot ofthings that are going on 550 00:31:10,635 --> 00:31:13,729 in that union hall that should have gone on years ago 551 00:31:14,005 --> 00:31:17,065 He's kept the hands and minds busy ofthe people 552 00:31:17,175 --> 00:31:19,143 MAN£º Lewie Anderson is the Austin union's 553 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:21,303 international vice-president in Washington 554 00:31:21,412 --> 00:31:22,709 Our research has shown 555 00:31:22,814 --> 00:31:25,214 that Hormel could do more damage to First Bank 556 00:31:25,283 --> 00:31:27,012 by taking their money out 557 00:31:27,118 --> 00:31:29,143 than what First Bank could ever do to Hormel 558 00:31:29,254 --> 00:31:31,017 Well£¬ Lewie's lying 559 00:31:31,122 --> 00:31:33,090 Okay£¬ l want to say this very clear 560 00:31:33,191 --> 00:31:34,590 Lewie is lying 561 00:31:34,692 --> 00:31:37,422 l believe he looked at Hormel's history 562 00:31:37,495 --> 00:31:38,689 He talked to some people 563 00:31:38,796 --> 00:31:41,765 and he thought once he put a public campaign 564 00:31:42,033 --> 00:31:44,024 with the news media£¬ they were gonna crumble 565 00:31:44,135 --> 00:31:48,003 The strategy or the research£¬ l should say 566 00:31:48,106 --> 00:31:51,473 had about as much depth as piss on a flat rock 567 00:31:52,343 --> 00:31:55,540 How much more damage has to be done before you figure out 568 00:31:55,647 --> 00:31:57,808 that that strategy is not working? 569 00:31:58,082 --> 00:31:58,605 Bull£¡ 570 00:31:58,716 --> 00:32:00,513 l don't take anything away from Local 9 571 00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:02,052 in terms of rallying people 572 00:32:02,153 --> 00:32:04,053 They've done a good job with it 573 00:32:04,155 --> 00:32:05,622 But it's a doomed strategy 574 00:32:05,723 --> 00:32:07,486 lt was doomed from the beginning 575 00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:09,423 and we tried to impress that on them 576 00:32:09,527 --> 00:32:14,055 Being militant and standing up ifyou're on the wrong strategy 577 00:32:14,165 --> 00:32:15,359 doesn't make it right 578 00:32:15,466 --> 00:32:17,559 People still end up getting hurt 579 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:19,534 Rates still continue to tumble 580 00:32:19,637 --> 00:32:21,605 You don't have the luxury of saying 581 00:32:21,706 --> 00:32:23,230 ¡°At least we're fighting.¡± 582 00:32:23,341 --> 00:32:26,708 Because when you fight and it's over and you've lost everything 583 00:32:26,811 --> 00:32:31,680 that's a terrible price to pay just to say that you were tough 584 00:32:31,749 --> 00:32:34,309 What we're doing makes sense£¬ and we believe in it 585 00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:38,583 Belief is something that will carry you a long ways 586 00:32:56,274 --> 00:32:57,536 NARRATOR: Hormel's proposal 587 00:32:57,608 --> 00:33:00,076 keeps a base wage frozen forthree years 588 00:33:00,178 --> 00:33:02,043 at$10 perhour 589 00:33:02,146 --> 00:33:07,345 Andanynew employees wouldbe paid$2 less forthe same work 590 00:33:10,588 --> 00:33:13,148 Hormel's final offer is rejected 591 00:33:13,257 --> 00:33:16,488 byboth the local union and the lnternational 592 00:33:16,594 --> 00:33:19,085 NYBERG£º lfwe're faced with a situation 593 00:33:19,163 --> 00:33:22,690 where there is a withholding of labor on one side 594 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,133 we could shut the plant down completely 595 00:33:26,237 --> 00:33:27,966 We could try to run the plant 596 00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:31,008 with management employees on a reduced basis 597 00:33:31,075 --> 00:33:33,373 We could hire temporary replacements 598 00:33:33,478 --> 00:33:36,572 for strikers who elect to stay out 599 00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:38,672 We could hire permanent replacements 600 00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:42,550 for strikers who elect to stay out 601 00:33:42,653 --> 00:33:46,111 Any combination ofthose things 602 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:51,354 We'll send the letter tonight£¬ then. Right£¬ Case? 603 00:33:51,462 --> 00:33:55,057 When we hand-deliver the letter£¬ we're gonna be on strike 604 00:33:55,133 --> 00:33:57,624 as of midnight on Friday 605 00:33:59,137 --> 00:34:00,069 MAN£º We'll tell them that 606 00:34:00,171 --> 00:34:03,197 You want to get that set up in the main hall? 607 00:34:03,307 --> 00:34:04,535 RAY£º You get your story here 608 00:34:04,642 --> 00:34:07,543 and make sure everybody hears about it. Really 609 00:34:07,645 --> 00:34:09,442 Just go ahead 610 00:34:10,214 --> 00:34:10,737 Aw£¬ come on 611 00:34:11,015 --> 00:34:12,505 Aw£¬ this is your show 612 00:34:12,617 --> 00:34:13,948 [ Cheering ] 613 00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:16,316 JlM£º The Hormel company put us into a corner 614 00:34:16,421 --> 00:34:18,321 and we were gonna come after them 615 00:34:18,423 --> 00:34:20,482 like a fighter going into a fight 616 00:34:20,558 --> 00:34:24,358 When you know you've trained about as well as you can 617 00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:27,159 it's time to get the gloves on or take them off 618 00:34:27,265 --> 00:34:28,732 and do what you got to do 619 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,491 By over a 93% margin 620 00:34:31,602 --> 00:34:35,368 the contract proposal termed by the company 621 00:34:35,473 --> 00:34:39,500 to be their last and final offer was rejected 622 00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:43,102 So the Executive Board has met£¬ and we intend 623 00:34:43,181 --> 00:34:47,242 to give the company a 48-hour-working-day notice 624 00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:48,682 tonight before midnight 625 00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:51,051 [ Cheers and applause ] 626 00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,350 Forthe first time in 52 years 627 00:34:54,425 --> 00:34:59,124 Hormel's Austin plant was about to be shutdown bya strike 628 00:35:01,165 --> 00:35:03,292 You're looking pretty chipper today 629 00:35:03,401 --> 00:35:05,164 -Hi£¬ Bill. -Hiya£¬ Jim 630 00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:08,636 Too bad we can't meet under better circumstances 631 00:35:08,739 --> 00:35:11,037 l need you to sign 632 00:35:11,142 --> 00:35:13,633 ln fact£¬ ifyou want to sign a couple ofthem£¬ you can 633 00:35:17,148 --> 00:35:21,050 We got new pencils for everyone£¬ just like the President 634 00:35:21,152 --> 00:35:22,585 No£¬ we don't 635 00:35:22,687 --> 00:35:24,154 That's mine 636 00:35:27,425 --> 00:35:29,689 -Okay£¬ there you go£¬ Jim. -Okay. Thanks 637 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:35,065 What may result from the Hormel workers' action 638 00:35:35,166 --> 00:35:37,225 is a test ofjust how much muscle 639 00:35:37,335 --> 00:35:40,361 organized labor can or cannot flex 640 00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:43,963 Kevin Berger£¬ Channel 5 Eyewitness News£¬ St. Paul 641 00:35:53,351 --> 00:35:55,546 NYBERG£º l think it is tragic 642 00:35:55,653 --> 00:35:58,520 We were hoping that some resolve would be reached 643 00:35:58,589 --> 00:36:02,116 so that this community and certainly our employees 644 00:36:02,226 --> 00:36:04,694 wouldn't have to go through what we're facing 645 00:36:04,962 --> 00:36:06,930 We've done everything humanly possible 646 00:36:07,031 --> 00:36:10,000 to resolve this thing on reasonable terms 647 00:36:10,101 --> 00:36:12,399 But we aren't going to resolve this dispute 648 00:36:12,503 --> 00:36:13,435 on unreasonable terms 649 00:36:13,538 --> 00:36:15,563 JlM£º The company's strategy is a clear one 650 00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:17,698 They want to freeze us out 651 00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:20,170 They want to starve us out 652 00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:26,046 And l think the motto that we at Local 9 have is best exemplified 653 00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:30,177 in one of Bruce Springsteen's latest songs 654 00:36:30,288 --> 00:36:34,418 We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember 655 00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:37,153 No retreat and no surrender 656 00:36:37,261 --> 00:36:40,753 And l think that the fact that these people are here today 657 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:44,058 helping us so that the company can't starve us out 658 00:36:44,168 --> 00:36:47,399 is certainly a giant push well on the way 659 00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:51,066 to let this company know that we are not about to surrender 660 00:36:54,078 --> 00:36:55,602 -Hi. -Hi 661 00:36:56,314 --> 00:36:57,338 Hi 662 00:37:04,622 --> 00:37:06,715 What we started is something 663 00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:12,191 that's gonna be more than maybe what we thought 664 00:37:12,296 --> 00:37:16,164 l see people working together£¬ people willing to share 665 00:37:16,267 --> 00:37:17,564 people borrowing clothes 666 00:37:17,668 --> 00:37:20,660 l see people opening up. l see people crying 667 00:37:20,771 --> 00:37:24,229 lt's just a whole new part of people 668 00:37:24,342 --> 00:37:26,003 and we're pulling together 669 00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:27,634 You know£¬ we're a big family 670 00:37:27,745 --> 00:37:29,736 Just so it doesn't 671 00:37:30,014 --> 00:37:33,211 lf it takes too long£¬ people are gonna get short on cash 672 00:37:33,284 --> 00:37:35,946 Then they're gonna feel the squeeze really bad 673 00:37:36,053 --> 00:37:41,320 My kid five weeks ago got his finger in the door at home 674 00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:43,154 Just one ofthose freak accidents 675 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:45,525 Went in and had three stitches. 120 bucks 676 00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:48,224 There went half of my paycheck 677 00:37:49,133 --> 00:37:52,193 This money is to be used for food 678 00:37:52,303 --> 00:37:54,669 for the people of Local P-9 679 00:37:59,977 --> 00:38:01,569 l can't even add 680 00:38:03,247 --> 00:38:05,408 l can't even add 681 00:38:05,516 --> 00:38:08,917 One thousand¡­ 682 00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:10,317 One hundred¡­ 683 00:38:16,227 --> 00:38:18,252 Forty-nine dollars£¡ 684 00:38:19,463 --> 00:38:21,055 Almost $1£¬050 685 00:38:21,165 --> 00:38:22,564 And they're not done yet 686 00:38:22,667 --> 00:38:26,296 Take it in brotherhood. Spirit 687 00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:30,739 JlM£º This money will be very much needed by our membership 688 00:38:31,008 --> 00:38:33,636 And l thank you from the bottom of my heart 689 00:38:41,585 --> 00:38:44,748 Hey£¬ Joe. They lost their power over there 690 00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:47,958 JlM£º Our union hall became a fun place to be at 691 00:38:48,025 --> 00:38:50,516 There was a lot ofthings going on 692 00:38:50,628 --> 00:38:54,496 lt became a place where families could come 693 00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:57,363 We had a lot offolks who liked to work on cars 694 00:38:57,468 --> 00:39:00,995 lnstead of pulling picket duty£¬ they fixed our cars 695 00:39:03,474 --> 00:39:06,102 We had carpenters who fixed people's homes 696 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:09,407 They did what they liked to do. They did their hobbies 697 00:39:19,757 --> 00:39:21,987 l asked Guyette 698 00:39:22,093 --> 00:39:24,391 Tell me where Corporate Campaign is today 699 00:39:24,495 --> 00:39:27,191 where it's going next week and the following weeks 700 00:39:27,298 --> 00:39:29,266 and relate that to how we're getting back 701 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,299 into the packinghouse 702 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,461 All they did is the same old gibberish 703 00:39:32,536 --> 00:39:34,436 We've got a group. We're gaining support 704 00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:35,732 We got money coming in 705 00:39:36,006 --> 00:39:37,530 They start with this gibberish£¬ and you say 706 00:39:37,641 --> 00:39:39,108 ¡°l didn't ask you that.¡± 707 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:40,575 ¡°Let him speak£¡¡± 708 00:39:40,678 --> 00:39:43,511 Then Rogers gets into his filibuster 709 00:39:43,614 --> 00:39:46,708 Then all of a sudden£¬ it's£¬ ¡°boom.¡± ¡°Next question.¡± 710 00:39:46,984 --> 00:39:48,349 l was in Ottumwa 711 00:39:48,452 --> 00:39:50,977 and the guys there were patting me on the back 712 00:39:51,088 --> 00:39:53,056 This guy gets it£¬ and he talks for 10 or 15 minutes 713 00:39:53,157 --> 00:39:55,318 LEWlE£º When he gets up to start his filibuster 714 00:39:55,426 --> 00:39:57,587 you got to have 7£¬ 8£¬ 9£¬ 10 people say 715 00:39:57,695 --> 00:39:59,720 Tell me how you're gonna get the jobs back 716 00:39:59,997 --> 00:40:01,589 Tell me how you're gonna get a contract 717 00:40:01,699 --> 00:40:03,564 You got to keep pounding into him 718 00:40:03,667 --> 00:40:07,159 ¡°Where are you as far as settling this thing?¡± 719 00:40:07,238 --> 00:40:08,762 You got some maniacs up there 720 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,667 in the leadership position and a maniac in Rogers 721 00:40:11,776 --> 00:40:12,708 who has yet to do one positive thing 722 00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:22,117 We can't be jacking around here forever 723 00:40:23,487 --> 00:40:26,388 This is a mess. That's what l'm saying 724 00:40:26,490 --> 00:40:32,224 Employees shall receive as normal 40 hours' pay 725 00:40:33,597 --> 00:40:35,121 Vacation pay shall consist 726 00:40:35,232 --> 00:40:39,134 of an employee's normal 40-hour weekly check 727 00:40:39,236 --> 00:40:41,534 -Yeah. That's good enough. -Good 728 00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:46,732 JlM£º Normally£¬ the National Union managed negotiations 729 00:40:46,844 --> 00:40:50,575 However£¬ in this particular situation£¬ our national union 730 00:40:50,648 --> 00:40:53,082 was spearheading a concessionary drive 731 00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:57,143 and we didn't want a concessionary contract 732 00:40:57,254 --> 00:41:01,452 Therefore£¬ our national union was told£¬ Get out ofthe way 733 00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:04,221 We'll deal with our own negotiations 734 00:41:04,328 --> 00:41:06,125 lt don't mean anything 735 00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:09,323 NYBERG£º When the union made a proposal 736 00:41:09,433 --> 00:41:11,492 that we thought was outrageous 737 00:41:11,602 --> 00:41:15,163 what we had to do is come back with a proposal of our own 738 00:41:15,272 --> 00:41:18,070 lnstead ofjust basing it blindly on the old contract 739 00:41:18,175 --> 00:41:20,234 we looked at every provision ofthat agreement and said 740 00:41:20,344 --> 00:41:21,675 ¡°What would make sense here?¡± 741 00:41:21,779 --> 00:41:23,246 WOMAN£º Who's gonna pay for that? 742 00:41:23,347 --> 00:41:24,780 MAN£º The company 743 00:41:25,049 --> 00:41:26,516 What is it? 744 00:41:26,617 --> 00:41:28,380 Joint Management Labor 745 00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:30,784 LEWlE£º Any seasoned£¬ experienced negotiator 746 00:41:31,021 --> 00:41:34,479 knows you don't rewrite your whole contract 747 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,329 You don't throw your whole contract up for grabs 748 00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:41,523 You don't give the company the opportunity 749 00:41:41,632 --> 00:41:45,466 to dismantle your contract because you rewrote it 750 00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:49,004 But that's exactly what the P-9 leadership did 751 00:41:49,106 --> 00:41:51,097 They rewrote a whole contract 752 00:41:51,208 --> 00:41:54,006 Language it has taken 40 years to negotiate 753 00:41:54,111 --> 00:41:56,739 language that provides the local union to have a say 754 00:41:56,847 --> 00:41:59,714 in how the goddamn plant is run 755 00:41:59,817 --> 00:42:01,614 When management got done with that contract 756 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,311 those things didn't exist 757 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:07,618 And l'm speaking to 40 years of bargaining gone as a result 758 00:42:07,725 --> 00:42:10,319 ofthese assholes rewriting that whole contract 759 00:42:10,427 --> 00:42:12,088 and submitting it to the company 760 00:42:44,795 --> 00:42:49,027 Being a negotiator requires a lot of different skills 761 00:42:49,133 --> 00:42:52,534 especially in an industry that's in turmoil£¬ like this one 762 00:42:52,636 --> 00:42:55,537 Nobody likes to have their wages and benefits rolled back 763 00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:59,268 And it's unconscionable to put out this proposal 764 00:42:59,376 --> 00:43:02,038 after all the concessions these workers made 765 00:43:02,146 --> 00:43:03,443 What's your reaction? 766 00:43:03,514 --> 00:43:06,278 -What's next? -No further comments on that 767 00:43:09,219 --> 00:43:12,188 LEWlE£º All l can do is take a peek at their vaults 768 00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:13,280 and see ifthere's any money 769 00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:14,687 lfthere is£¬ we all run in there 770 00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:19,286 we grab as much of it as we can£¬ and we get the hell out 771 00:43:19,396 --> 00:43:22,058 Negotiations have broke off 772 00:43:22,132 --> 00:43:24,191 There are no further meetings scheduled 773 00:43:24,301 --> 00:43:26,235 LEWlE£º That's pure£¬ unadulterated bullshit£¡ 774 00:43:26,337 --> 00:43:28,669 What's holding up a contract settlement 775 00:43:28,772 --> 00:43:31,502 is that these bastards won't give you a decent wage£¡ 776 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:33,509 That's what holding up the settlement£¡ 777 00:43:33,577 --> 00:43:36,205 Send your bargaining committee to Chicago 778 00:43:36,313 --> 00:43:38,781 with a vote of confidence that supports them 779 00:43:39,049 --> 00:43:40,983 and tells the company to stick their proposal 780 00:43:41,085 --> 00:43:43,781 where the sun don't shine and give us a decent contract£¡ 781 00:43:44,054 --> 00:43:45,385 Thank you very much 782 00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:47,788 JlM£º Sometimes you have to fire the people up 783 00:43:48,058 --> 00:43:49,787 to send a clear message to management 784 00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:53,086 that the workers are really ticked off 785 00:43:53,197 --> 00:43:55,529 That they not only want what's right 786 00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:58,602 they want more than what's right 787 00:43:58,702 --> 00:44:02,138 You better be prepared to give a lot back that was taken away£¡ 788 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,707 Or you four can start looking for anotherjob£¡ 789 00:44:04,975 --> 00:44:06,272 You want to come back to these meetings? 790 00:44:06,343 --> 00:44:09,437 l worked out in that plant£¬ and l busted my ass for you 791 00:44:09,513 --> 00:44:11,447 for over 18 years on production 792 00:44:11,548 --> 00:44:13,573 All of a sudden£¬ you put the hammer down 793 00:44:13,684 --> 00:44:15,584 and we go from our $10.69 794 00:44:15,686 --> 00:44:19,679 down to $6.50 to walk back in that plant on a Monday 795 00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:23,692 You want to come back? You keep your mouth shut£¬ okay? 796 00:44:23,761 --> 00:44:25,991 You don't know what you're talking about£¡ 797 00:44:26,096 --> 00:44:27,358 l won't take it anymore£¡ 798 00:44:27,464 --> 00:44:30,228 l won't have the courtesy of letting you ask questions 799 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:32,996 l'll walk out the next time you open your mouth 800 00:44:43,781 --> 00:44:48,377 LEWlE£º The more that the membership seems unreasonable 801 00:44:48,485 --> 00:44:51,648 the more the bargaining committee seems unreasonable 802 00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:53,313 the tougher they are¡­ 803 00:44:54,625 --> 00:44:55,751 Hello 804 00:44:56,026 --> 00:44:58,392 LEWlE£º The more the employer has to rely on you 805 00:44:58,495 --> 00:45:02,522 as the negotiator£¬ because you're the one£¬ supposedly 806 00:45:02,633 --> 00:45:05,329 that has to make common sense prevail 807 00:45:05,436 --> 00:45:07,996 l'd like to carve out numbers one and two 808 00:45:08,105 --> 00:45:09,697 and continue to talk with you 809 00:45:09,973 --> 00:45:11,167 to see ifthere's something we can do 810 00:45:11,275 --> 00:45:12,572 but l haven't come up with anything 811 00:45:12,676 --> 00:45:15,201 LEWlE£º You only do that once you have extracted the maximum 812 00:45:15,312 --> 00:45:17,075 from that employer 813 00:45:19,983 --> 00:45:22,474 And then you let the membership decide 814 00:45:22,553 --> 00:45:24,578 [ Crowd booing ] 815 00:45:31,995 --> 00:45:34,054 They stole my check£¡ 816 00:45:35,466 --> 00:45:38,196 LEWlE£º That's a danger when you fire the troops up 817 00:45:38,302 --> 00:45:40,702 is that you get their expectations so high 818 00:45:40,804 --> 00:45:43,500 and they believe those expectations can be met 819 00:45:43,607 --> 00:45:44,505 lfyou don't meet them 820 00:45:44,608 --> 00:45:46,599 they believe you haven't done yourjob 821 00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:48,678 and may believe you sold them out 822 00:45:48,779 --> 00:45:51,213 We can't afford to go backwards anymore 823 00:45:51,315 --> 00:45:53,078 We've went back far enough 824 00:45:53,183 --> 00:45:55,083 We work too goddamn hard down there 825 00:45:55,185 --> 00:45:57,380 to have to go backwards anymore 826 00:45:57,488 --> 00:45:58,477 l say£¬ ¡°Fuck them.¡± 827 00:45:58,589 --> 00:46:01,285 lfthey want to close it down£¬ let them close it 828 00:46:01,391 --> 00:46:03,222 We can all find something else 829 00:46:03,327 --> 00:46:04,624 We're decent human beings 830 00:46:04,695 --> 00:46:07,129 and we deserve every damn thing we get 831 00:46:07,197 --> 00:46:09,256 LEWlE£º lfyou take workers who feel 832 00:46:09,366 --> 00:46:13,166 that they're been mistreated or misused 833 00:46:13,237 --> 00:46:15,137 they want to get at the heart ofthe matter 834 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,173 They want to get to that employer 835 00:46:17,274 --> 00:46:19,003 lt's their obligation to give it to us 836 00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:22,567 lfthey don't want to£¬ then piss on them. Let them go 837 00:46:28,986 --> 00:46:32,581 Look£¬ between both ofyou£¬ you want a strike 838 00:46:32,689 --> 00:46:35,021 You keep snapping at everything for one 839 00:46:35,125 --> 00:46:38,026 -lfyou want one. -MAN£º Some results£¬ Lewie 840 00:46:38,128 --> 00:46:39,493 You think it's us? 841 00:46:39,596 --> 00:46:43,293 l can't deliver£¬ and l don't intend to carry this on 842 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,597 l can't deliver something that's not there at this time 843 00:46:46,703 --> 00:46:50,332 l've been banging around 844 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,069 Quit looking for somebody to run in with a fucking white horse£¡ 845 00:46:54,144 --> 00:46:57,602 You don't even know what negotiations is all about 846 00:46:57,681 --> 00:46:59,649 and you act like you know everything£¡ 847 00:46:59,716 --> 00:47:03,311 l did not come here and act like l know everything£¬ Lewie£¡ 848 00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:06,218 Our members are asking for some answers£¬ Lewie£¡ 849 00:47:06,323 --> 00:47:08,086 Give your members some answers£¡ 850 00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:10,251 Don't lay the shit on me£¡ 851 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,193 The easiest goddamn thing to do is blame somebody 852 00:47:13,297 --> 00:47:15,663 for the problem you're in£¡ 853 00:47:15,732 --> 00:47:18,997 We didn't blame you for the problem we're in 854 00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:22,163 LEWlE£º The biggest and most powerful threat that you have 855 00:47:22,272 --> 00:47:24,604 is the threat of a strike 856 00:47:24,708 --> 00:47:28,269 When you actually have to use the strike 857 00:47:28,378 --> 00:47:31,506 then you are going into an all-out war 858 00:47:31,615 --> 00:47:34,015 And you have to pick your fights 859 00:47:34,117 --> 00:47:37,280 lf l get emotional. l seem tired about this 860 00:47:37,354 --> 00:47:41,450 This is not jerk-offtime. This is serious business 861 00:47:41,525 --> 00:47:44,494 You better be able to inflict some economic damage 862 00:47:44,595 --> 00:47:45,527 on that employer 863 00:47:45,629 --> 00:47:48,120 lfyou cannot get into his pockets 864 00:47:48,232 --> 00:47:52,362 and take a lot of money out and make the employer understand 865 00:47:52,436 --> 00:47:55,667 that it's better to settle than it is to fight 866 00:47:55,772 --> 00:47:58,673 then the employer will crush you 867 00:48:18,061 --> 00:48:21,121 Hormel's production has notbeen stopped 868 00:48:24,067 --> 00:48:27,002 The companyshiftedproduction to theirotherplants 869 00:48:27,070 --> 00:48:29,231 thatare still in operation 870 00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:42,710 ln Austin, theyare using theirown managementpersonnel 871 00:48:42,986 --> 00:48:46,513 to turn out thousands ofcans ofSpam a day 872 00:49:01,038 --> 00:49:03,700 MAN£º lt's got to be blatantly obvious to everyone 873 00:49:03,974 --> 00:49:06,238 that this company doesn't want a contract 874 00:49:06,343 --> 00:49:08,140 MAN #2£º We're at the crossroads 875 00:49:08,211 --> 00:49:09,303 JlM£º l want to win 876 00:49:09,413 --> 00:49:12,177 MAN£º l don't think there's a guy who don't want to win 877 00:49:12,249 --> 00:49:16,151 That's no excuse for doing something you shouldn't 878 00:49:16,253 --> 00:49:17,413 All l'm saying is 879 00:49:17,521 --> 00:49:21,013 whatever it takes to win£¬ l want to do it 880 00:49:23,126 --> 00:49:25,219 LEWlE£º That£¬ potentially£¬ is a time bomb 881 00:49:25,295 --> 00:49:27,729 that can blow up in all of our faces 882 00:49:27,998 --> 00:49:30,193 The company is gonna end up forcing a settlement 883 00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:31,665 on those people out there 884 00:49:31,768 --> 00:49:34,430 That is gonna be way under the Hormel chain settlement 885 00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:36,938 and under the Oscar Mayer settlement 886 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,305 Here you're gonna have this big company£¬ very profitable 887 00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:42,344 that has got a substandard agreement 888 00:49:42,446 --> 00:49:46,177 that's gonna tear the shit out of our rates in the industry 889 00:49:46,283 --> 00:49:47,716 We are gonna negotiate shit 890 00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:50,749 ifthey get stuck with a bad settlement up there 891 00:49:54,224 --> 00:49:55,714 MAN£º You people are believing 892 00:49:55,993 --> 00:49:59,019 that we've got the power to get them to the table 893 00:49:59,529 --> 00:50:01,292 lt is my assessment 894 00:50:01,365 --> 00:50:04,334 that the reason that we have been unsuccessful 895 00:50:04,434 --> 00:50:08,029 the reason that our strategy hasn't worked 896 00:50:08,138 --> 00:50:11,437 the reason that we've gone to a 4-1/2-month strike 897 00:50:11,541 --> 00:50:13,600 is simply that very issue 898 00:50:13,710 --> 00:50:15,678 We don't have the strength to get them there 899 00:50:15,779 --> 00:50:19,306 The division that some have tried to create here 900 00:50:19,416 --> 00:50:21,179 has been to our downfall 901 00:50:21,284 --> 00:50:24,310 And l just wish that we could act concerted 902 00:50:24,421 --> 00:50:28,323 The fact is£¬ l think we all realize right now 903 00:50:28,392 --> 00:50:32,419 the company is in a very solid and very legal position 904 00:50:32,529 --> 00:50:35,020 to start that packinghouse up without us 905 00:50:35,098 --> 00:50:37,362 ifwe don't go back to work 906 00:50:37,434 --> 00:50:41,666 Now£¬ l think that the rank and file here has been misled 907 00:50:41,772 --> 00:50:44,172 in understanding this company's position 908 00:50:44,274 --> 00:50:49,473 The problem is£¬ Jim£¬ the company isn't gonna talk to you£¬ period 909 00:50:49,579 --> 00:50:51,513 They've got a grudge against you 910 00:50:51,615 --> 00:50:53,105 You probably got a grudge against them 911 00:50:53,216 --> 00:50:57,812 And l don't care ifwe offer to go back for 5 bucks an hour 912 00:50:58,055 --> 00:50:59,488 The company ain't gonna talk to you 913 00:50:59,589 --> 00:51:01,580 Why don't you talk to them? 914 00:51:01,691 --> 00:51:05,252 Because l'm not part ofthe negotiating board. That's why 915 00:51:05,328 --> 00:51:06,955 WOMAN£º You're out of order£¡ 916 00:51:07,064 --> 00:51:10,591 Hey£¬ you can rule me out of order all you want 917 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:12,429 l'm gonna tell you one thing 918 00:51:12,536 --> 00:51:14,128 Rule me out of order all you want 919 00:51:14,237 --> 00:51:16,034 JlM£º Security? 920 00:51:16,139 --> 00:51:18,073 Did you call 911? 921 00:51:18,175 --> 00:51:21,167 Get them in here. Get them in here 922 00:51:27,417 --> 00:51:29,578 MAN£º Will you sit down? 923 00:51:29,686 --> 00:51:32,621 What the hell is the matter with you? 924 00:51:32,722 --> 00:51:35,122 Back off£¬ you guys£¡ 925 00:51:35,225 --> 00:51:37,591 l relent£¡ 926 00:51:37,694 --> 00:51:39,286 lfyou have come to fight 927 00:51:39,396 --> 00:51:41,626 and not get any damn answers£¬ continue£¡ 928 00:51:41,731 --> 00:51:44,199 Otherwise£¬ sit down£¡ 929 00:51:45,569 --> 00:51:48,060 lt's a union meeting£¡ 930 00:51:48,171 --> 00:51:50,639 We have said until we're blue in the face 931 00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:52,708 l don't know how we say it again 932 00:51:52,809 --> 00:51:55,243 We have gone as far as we're going to go 933 00:51:55,345 --> 00:51:57,108 lfyou want to go into negotiations 934 00:51:57,214 --> 00:52:00,183 and that means you're going to get more and more£¬ no 935 00:52:00,283 --> 00:52:03,013 We're not going to give any more 936 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,145 10 bucks 937 00:52:05,255 --> 00:52:07,314 They don't even want to talk about it anymore? 938 00:52:07,424 --> 00:52:09,449 -Nope. -Other than asking questions 939 00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,493 Yep 940 00:52:11,595 --> 00:52:13,654 There's no bargaining whatsoever? 941 00:52:15,632 --> 00:52:18,760 You think you're winning. l don't think you're winning 942 00:52:19,035 --> 00:52:22,027 The company£¬ l don't think£¬ thinks you're winning 943 00:52:22,139 --> 00:52:25,336 You're at war£¬ they're at war£¬ and they're not giving in 944 00:52:41,725 --> 00:52:46,560 The contract that you work under is your decision alone 945 00:52:46,663 --> 00:52:50,121 The Executive Board has recommended rejection 946 00:52:51,701 --> 00:52:55,637 l have a family like you have 947 00:52:55,705 --> 00:52:58,230 And l want to be able to say to them 948 00:52:58,341 --> 00:52:59,933 as Hubert Humphrey said 949 00:53:00,043 --> 00:53:02,511 l'd rather live 50 years like a tiger 950 00:53:02,612 --> 00:53:05,513 than 100 years like a chicken 951 00:53:32,509 --> 00:53:36,275 NYBERG£º We've got a $100 million plant that needs to be run 952 00:53:36,379 --> 00:53:38,438 We're taking applications tomorrow 953 00:53:38,548 --> 00:53:41,415 from people that want to work in that plant 954 00:53:41,518 --> 00:53:43,247 And if Local P-9 says 955 00:53:43,353 --> 00:53:46,220 ¡°We are going to continue to withhold our labor£¬¡± 956 00:53:46,289 --> 00:53:48,348 now the process is underway 957 00:53:50,393 --> 00:53:53,055 The union will have rights to theirjobs 958 00:53:53,163 --> 00:53:55,597 until they've been permanently replaced 959 00:54:19,689 --> 00:54:21,680 No bills today 960 00:54:29,699 --> 00:54:34,136 When you got a place like this£¬ we got 4 3/4 acres and house 961 00:54:34,204 --> 00:54:35,694 and lived here seven years 962 00:54:35,805 --> 00:54:40,265 And payments are£¬ you know£¬ a couple hundred dollars a month 963 00:54:40,377 --> 00:54:43,608 l got a wife and three kids£¬ and l love them 964 00:54:44,547 --> 00:54:46,674 They'll understand later 965 00:54:46,750 --> 00:54:50,345 lf it comes down to losing this place£¬ we'll survive 966 00:54:50,453 --> 00:54:52,614 just like a lot of people 967 00:54:53,423 --> 00:54:55,050 l got to give R.J. credit 968 00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:58,492 At least he made a stand£¬ you know 969 00:54:58,595 --> 00:55:02,190 He put himself on one side or the other 970 00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:05,564 l'm on the side that's commonly referred to as the P-10ers 971 00:55:05,669 --> 00:55:07,193 That was my choice 972 00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:12,367 R.J. decided he wanted to follow Ray Rogers and Jim Guyette 973 00:55:12,475 --> 00:55:15,035 lt's a hard decision to make for some people 974 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:18,603 but it wasn't for me when we took that strike vote 975 00:55:18,715 --> 00:55:21,513 Go out there and be willing to give up things 976 00:55:21,618 --> 00:55:24,280 and make things better for us workers 977 00:55:24,354 --> 00:55:27,289 and workers around the United States£¬ union people 978 00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:29,483 We're tired of going backwards 979 00:55:30,427 --> 00:55:33,590 But then you have to look at the rest ofthe economy 980 00:55:33,697 --> 00:55:36,359 Throughout the nation£¬ that's what's happening 981 00:55:36,433 --> 00:55:39,231 And l guess maybe you have to swallow hard 982 00:55:39,302 --> 00:55:41,770 but ifyou want a job¡­ 983 00:55:45,275 --> 00:55:48,574 You're gonna have to take it£¬ l guess£¬ a little bit 984 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,343 NARRATOR£º So£¬ are you having problems with your brother? 985 00:55:54,451 --> 00:55:57,147 Oh£¬ l won't have any problems£¬ really 986 00:55:57,220 --> 00:56:00,678 until he crosses that line£¬ to scab 987 00:56:02,158 --> 00:56:03,489 There's nothing worse than a scab 988 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,324 so how can you have anything to do with a scab? 989 00:56:06,396 --> 00:56:10,332 You guys have been giving in and giving in for 23 years 990 00:56:11,401 --> 00:56:14,336 And we got unions all over the country watching us 991 00:56:14,437 --> 00:56:15,631 counting on us 992 00:56:15,739 --> 00:56:17,934 People are counting on us 993 00:56:18,041 --> 00:56:19,065 RON£º To hell with them 994 00:56:19,175 --> 00:56:22,474 You know£¬ we got 1£¬400 workers here 995 00:56:22,579 --> 00:56:26,345 We got thousands of people counting on us 996 00:56:26,449 --> 00:56:29,316 And sending in money£¬ you know 997 00:56:29,386 --> 00:56:31,286 But it's ourjob. lt's not theirs 998 00:56:31,354 --> 00:56:33,982 We knew this strike was coming 999 00:56:34,090 --> 00:56:36,081 We should've avoided it 1000 00:56:36,192 --> 00:56:37,386 They didn't want to talk 1001 00:56:37,494 --> 00:56:41,055 The lnternational said£¬ lt's ill-advised 1002 00:56:41,164 --> 00:56:42,688 You're on a suicide mission 1003 00:56:42,766 --> 00:56:44,393 They told us that 1004 00:57:18,601 --> 00:57:21,195 MAN£º So far£¬ l think l've seen about five 1005 00:57:21,304 --> 00:57:23,932 Let's see one£¬ two¡­ 1006 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,405 Three£¬ four¡­ 1007 00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:30,670 Five£¬ six¡­ 1008 00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:34,417 l think l've seen seven 1009 00:57:40,223 --> 00:57:42,088 l had to come today 1010 00:57:43,259 --> 00:57:44,692 l had to know what it'd be like to see people 1011 00:57:44,794 --> 00:57:48,093 coming into the place that l spent my whole life in 1012 00:57:48,198 --> 00:57:50,166 going in and doing myjob 1013 00:57:51,367 --> 00:57:54,700 lt's really£¬ really hard to watch this happen 1014 00:58:10,286 --> 00:58:13,653 l'm never gonna let myself get in a position like this again 1015 00:58:13,756 --> 00:58:16,589 where a group of a minority of assholes 1016 00:58:16,693 --> 00:58:19,423 dictate how l handle the rest of my life 1017 00:58:19,529 --> 00:58:21,463 Sometimes ignorance is bliss 1018 00:58:21,531 --> 00:58:23,624 l'll tell you there will be no blocking 1019 00:58:23,733 --> 00:58:25,360 ofthe ingress and egress ofthat plant 1020 00:58:25,468 --> 00:58:27,436 That plant will operate 1021 00:58:27,537 --> 00:58:31,064 The state police will come down on them and crush them 1022 00:58:31,174 --> 00:58:33,540 You can't win that fight there 1023 00:58:33,610 --> 00:58:35,134 lfthe police can't do it 1024 00:58:35,245 --> 00:58:37,713 then they'll bring the National Guard in 1025 00:58:37,981 --> 00:58:40,677 That will demoralize the piss out ofthem 1026 00:58:40,783 --> 00:58:42,045 They'll be standing there 1027 00:58:42,118 --> 00:58:44,678 3 people every 50 feet with their dick in their hands 1028 00:58:44,787 --> 00:58:46,584 watching people take theirjobs 1029 00:58:46,656 --> 00:58:48,988 Now£¬ that is very demoralizing 1030 00:58:49,092 --> 00:58:50,423 [ Laughter ] 1031 00:58:50,493 --> 00:58:51,687 All right£¡ 1032 00:58:51,794 --> 00:58:55,286 Look£¬ you got to do it and be effective 1033 00:58:55,365 --> 00:58:57,094 MAN£º l'd like to know how many people 1034 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,293 think they could get up at 3£º30£¬ 4£º00 1035 00:58:59,402 --> 00:59:02,462 whenever the traffic comes in£¬ and do it 1036 00:59:02,572 --> 00:59:03,971 l'm ready right now 1037 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,976 All right£¬ then let's do it Friday morning£¡ 1038 00:59:08,044 --> 00:59:08,635 Let's do it£¡ 1039 00:59:08,745 --> 00:59:11,305 Then we'll see you at 4£º00 in the morning£¡ 1040 00:59:11,414 --> 00:59:13,382 [ Cheers and applause ] 1041 00:59:13,449 --> 00:59:15,417 [ Car horns honking ] 1042 00:59:22,325 --> 00:59:25,624 MAN ON RADlO£º We might mention£¬ ifyou are driving in the area 1043 00:59:25,728 --> 00:59:28,925 you will be diverted away from the plant£¬ westbound 1044 00:59:28,998 --> 00:59:31,694 lfyou're moving up the east side ofthe Hormel plant 1045 00:59:31,968 --> 00:59:36,530 you will be asked to turn your car around and go back 1046 00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,130 MAN #2£º We just heard from the Austin Law Enforcement Center 1047 00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:43,201 that all the roads surrounding the Hormel company itself 1048 00:59:43,313 --> 00:59:44,541 have been blocked off 1049 00:59:44,614 --> 00:59:48,277 MAN #3£º We'll get further reports£¬ Dan-o. Thank you 1050 00:59:48,384 --> 00:59:51,012 One thing we should probably tell everybody 1051 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,250 lfthe police ask who's in charge£¬ nobody's in charge 1052 00:59:55,358 --> 00:59:56,416 Nobody's in charge 1053 00:59:56,492 --> 00:59:57,982 No one's in charge£¡ 1054 00:59:58,094 --> 01:00:00,153 lt's cold out today. God£¡ 1055 01:00:00,263 --> 01:00:03,027 There's gonna be a lot of cars that's gonna freeze up 1056 01:00:03,132 --> 01:00:07,125 lf anybody comes£¬ the police come and ask who's in charge 1057 01:00:07,236 --> 01:00:09,329 there's no one in charge£¡ 1058 01:00:09,405 --> 01:00:12,602 There just happens to be a breakdown and a traffic jam 1059 01:00:12,709 --> 01:00:15,007 So there's nobody in charge here£¡ 1060 01:00:15,111 --> 01:00:18,342 MAN£º lfthere's any interference with our police duties 1061 01:00:18,448 --> 01:00:21,008 we do not want to make arrests 1062 01:00:25,154 --> 01:00:27,748 WOMAN£º l lost eight hours' pay today because ofthat 1063 01:00:28,024 --> 01:00:30,618 [ Crowd groaning ] 1064 01:00:30,693 --> 01:00:33,025 And while that might not seem like a lot 1065 01:00:33,129 --> 01:00:36,098 to the P-9 members who have been on strike for 5 months 1066 01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:38,759 it wasn't a thing l chose to do without 1067 01:00:39,035 --> 01:00:41,299 l have every right to go in and do myjob 1068 01:00:41,404 --> 01:00:43,702 just as they have every right to picket 1069 01:00:43,773 --> 01:00:46,537 Mr. Mayor£¬ this isn't a hostage situation 1070 01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:49,806 This isn't Tehran£¬ lran. This is Austin£¬ Minnesota 1071 01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:53,810 They told us that they would not let us in 1072 01:00:54,083 --> 01:00:56,449 That is a lockout£¡ 1073 01:00:57,787 --> 01:00:58,776 Don't be mad at us 1074 01:00:59,055 --> 01:01:01,649 Blame it on the people causing the problem 1075 01:01:01,758 --> 01:01:03,020 That's across the tracks 1076 01:01:03,126 --> 01:01:05,026 lt's them that put you in this position 1077 01:01:05,128 --> 01:01:07,358 because they put us in this position 1078 01:01:07,463 --> 01:01:10,296 We don't know who's going in there to do what£¬ so to stop it 1079 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,027 we had to stop everybody that goes in that plant 1080 01:01:12,135 --> 01:01:13,693 We had to close it down 1081 01:01:13,803 --> 01:01:16,465 l don't want to merit right or wrong 1082 01:01:16,572 --> 01:01:19,166 l'm not gonna pick sides 1083 01:01:19,275 --> 01:01:20,367 But l got a question 1084 01:01:20,476 --> 01:01:22,171 ls what the company's doing¡­ 1085 01:01:22,278 --> 01:01:24,746 l don't want to discuss moralities 1086 01:01:25,014 --> 01:01:26,675 ls what the company doing legal? 1087 01:01:26,749 --> 01:01:29,377 They're not out there because they like to holler 1088 01:01:29,485 --> 01:01:31,715 and fight and they want to kill somebody 1089 01:01:31,788 --> 01:01:34,052 They're out 'cause they want a contract 1090 01:01:34,157 --> 01:01:35,624 where they can go to work 1091 01:01:35,725 --> 01:01:37,352 We want to work 1092 01:01:38,728 --> 01:01:40,753 This is a tragedy for all of us 1093 01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:42,463 l was born and raised here 1094 01:01:42,565 --> 01:01:46,092 Members of my family that are buried here 1095 01:01:46,202 --> 01:01:48,636 These people are my friends on all sides ofthis issue 1096 01:01:48,705 --> 01:01:50,502 l've graduated from high school with them 1097 01:01:50,606 --> 01:01:53,131 l went to college with some ofthese people 1098 01:01:53,242 --> 01:01:54,675 This isn't some impersonal thing 1099 01:01:54,744 --> 01:01:57,645 We're personally involved whether we want to be or not 1100 01:01:57,747 --> 01:02:01,239 We would do anything in our power to try to resolve this 1101 01:02:01,350 --> 01:02:02,681 lt's a difficult situation 1102 01:02:02,752 --> 01:02:05,277 for both Chief Hoffman and l to deal with 1103 01:02:05,388 --> 01:02:08,357 l can't tell you what it's like. lt's tearing us up 1104 01:02:46,162 --> 01:02:48,096 MAN£º Left£¡ Left£¡ 1105 01:02:48,164 --> 01:02:49,791 Left£¬ right£¬ left£¡ 1106 01:02:50,032 --> 01:02:51,499 Left£¡ Left£¡ 1107 01:02:51,601 --> 01:02:53,796 Left£¬ right£¬ left£¡ 1108 01:03:03,513 --> 01:03:05,276 Minnesota governor Rudy Perpich 1109 01:03:05,381 --> 01:03:07,679 called the National Guard£¬ trying to help maintain order 1110 01:03:07,784 --> 01:03:10,981 as striking union meatpackers and their supporters 1111 01:03:11,087 --> 01:03:14,682 blockaded the Hormel plant in Austin£¬ Minnesota 1112 01:03:15,358 --> 01:03:19,556 -Hey£¬ your clubs are cracked£¡ -Holy shit£¡ Look at them go£¡ 1113 01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:22,258 Behind the barricades 1114 01:03:22,331 --> 01:03:25,164 MAN£º l don't know ifyou know£¬ but this is your community 1115 01:03:25,268 --> 01:03:27,600 not two or three ofthem greedy executives£¡ 1116 01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:31,436 What the hell's the matter with you? Shut it down£¡ 1117 01:03:33,142 --> 01:03:34,473 Shut her down£¡ 1118 01:03:34,544 --> 01:03:36,739 l want£¬ no matter what happens 1119 01:03:37,013 --> 01:03:40,710 if anybody gets hit£¬ if anybody gets hit 1120 01:03:40,783 --> 01:03:43,251 you simply try to identify who it is 1121 01:03:43,352 --> 01:03:45,252 but get back to that hall£¡ 1122 01:03:46,289 --> 01:03:48,621 Wait a minute. You see what they got here? 1123 01:03:48,724 --> 01:03:50,351 There ain't no way you got a chance 1124 01:03:50,459 --> 01:03:53,019 on dealing with those clubs£¡ 1125 01:03:53,129 --> 01:03:55,529 So you better think rationally£¡ 1126 01:03:55,631 --> 01:03:59,431 l don't want to see you in a fight with the National Guard£¡ 1127 01:04:01,204 --> 01:04:03,399 Okay£¬ remember£¬ if anybody moves on you 1128 01:04:03,506 --> 01:04:05,440 just go back to the office 1129 01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:19,117 There's varying opinions from everyone here 1130 01:04:19,222 --> 01:04:22,282 as to how many people are gonna cross the line 1131 01:04:22,391 --> 01:04:27,192 But it sounds as though 1132 01:04:27,263 --> 01:04:30,391 you're gonna have a stampede situation 1133 01:04:30,499 --> 01:04:33,434 lfwhat everybody is reflecting is accurate 1134 01:04:33,536 --> 01:04:35,504 MAN£º Let's get our people 1135 01:04:35,605 --> 01:04:38,665 and tell 'em the straight shot£¬ like they deserve 1136 01:04:38,774 --> 01:04:42,141 We got lots offolks that are gonna go in there tomorrow 1137 01:04:42,245 --> 01:04:45,612 because the Guard's gonna let everybody in 1138 01:04:45,715 --> 01:04:48,149 So let's all go back in tomorrow 1139 01:04:48,718 --> 01:04:52,051 l don't think there's gonna be that many going in tomorrow 1140 01:04:52,154 --> 01:04:54,019 l don't think we've shown our last shot 1141 01:04:54,090 --> 01:04:55,387 l'm not ready to give up 1142 01:04:55,491 --> 01:04:57,186 -No. -Shit£¬ not me 1143 01:04:57,293 --> 01:04:58,624 l got some real problems 1144 01:04:58,728 --> 01:05:02,164 because l can see tomorrow and you guys can't 1145 01:05:02,265 --> 01:05:05,530 But£¬ boy£¬ that's what makes me sick 1146 01:05:05,635 --> 01:05:07,466 Go home and take a couple aspirin 1147 01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:09,197 You'll feel better in the morning 1148 01:05:09,272 --> 01:05:12,070 Jesus Christ£¬ l won't feel a bit better 1149 01:05:14,477 --> 01:05:16,968 Left£¬ left£¬ right£¬ left 1150 01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:20,344 l've been out ofwork for six years. l need a job 1151 01:05:20,449 --> 01:05:22,110 NARRATOR£º How have you been getting by? 1152 01:05:22,218 --> 01:05:23,651 Just doing odd jobs 1153 01:05:23,753 --> 01:05:27,052 Must be hard. You ever worked in a packinghouse? 1154 01:05:27,156 --> 01:05:28,521 No 1155 01:05:28,591 --> 01:05:30,456 -Where are you from? -Mclntyre 1156 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,357 -How'd you hear about it? -Been on the news 1157 01:05:33,462 --> 01:05:35,589 l got neighbors that work here 1158 01:05:35,698 --> 01:05:38,360 Does it feel hard to go across the picket line? 1159 01:05:38,434 --> 01:05:39,731 No 1160 01:05:40,436 --> 01:05:42,768 -Scab£¡ -Hey£¬ you lowlife£¡ 1161 01:05:43,806 --> 01:05:46,331 When you go across that line£¬ that's your decision 1162 01:05:46,442 --> 01:05:49,309 You just don't let it bother you 1163 01:05:49,378 --> 01:05:50,675 You'd better be able to stand it 1164 01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:53,374 or you should have never went across 1165 01:05:55,384 --> 01:05:56,783 NARRATOR£º Why are you doing this? 1166 01:05:57,053 --> 01:05:58,213 Because l need a job 1167 01:05:58,321 --> 01:06:00,312 When was the last time you worked? 1168 01:06:00,423 --> 01:06:03,290 Oh£¬ last spring 1169 01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:05,088 -Where are you from? -Austin 1170 01:06:05,194 --> 01:06:06,320 Okay 1171 01:06:10,266 --> 01:06:12,666 You're crossing a picket line£¡ 1172 01:06:12,768 --> 01:06:15,066 You're a scab£¡ 1173 01:06:17,606 --> 01:06:19,506 Hey£¬ scab£¬ go home£¡ 1174 01:06:19,575 --> 01:06:21,167 Go home£¬ scab£¡ 1175 01:06:33,055 --> 01:06:37,048 JlM£º Some people may be looking for excuses to cross 1176 01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:41,095 But remember that your self-respect will be left behind 1177 01:06:41,197 --> 01:06:44,098 if anyone decides to cross the picket line 1178 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,225 You know£¬ my family is starving 1179 01:06:46,335 --> 01:06:49,702 l'm not getting a thing from anybody other than $40 a week 1180 01:06:49,805 --> 01:06:52,171 just like everybody else in here 1181 01:06:52,274 --> 01:06:53,536 l want myjob 1182 01:06:53,642 --> 01:06:57,169 just like everybody in here wants theirjob 1183 01:06:57,279 --> 01:06:59,747 l'm seriously considering crossing 1184 01:06:59,949 --> 01:07:01,348 l'd be a liar if l said l wasn't 1185 01:07:01,450 --> 01:07:02,610 Don't do it£¡ 1186 01:07:02,718 --> 01:07:04,413 l didn't say l was 1187 01:07:04,487 --> 01:07:06,148 l said l was considering 1188 01:07:06,255 --> 01:07:08,416 What l'm saying is£¬ a lot ofyou people 1189 01:07:08,524 --> 01:07:10,549 and you'd be liars ifyou say you didn't 1190 01:07:10,659 --> 01:07:12,456 haven't considered crossing 1191 01:07:12,561 --> 01:07:14,222 Because we all need jobs 1192 01:07:14,330 --> 01:07:17,493 What plan of action is everybody here looking for? 1193 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,467 l think we're all looking for some plan of action 1194 01:07:20,536 --> 01:07:23,004 Either we gotta shut down every plant 1195 01:07:23,105 --> 01:07:24,936 that Hormel owns Monday morning 1196 01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:28,101 Or Tuesday or Wednesday we might as well all go back 1197 01:07:28,210 --> 01:07:30,474 ifwe don't shut down their goddamn plants 1198 01:07:30,579 --> 01:07:32,171 and shut 'em down fast 1199 01:07:32,281 --> 01:07:36,479 l think that you guys can't keep going and saying£¬ ¡°l agree.¡± 1200 01:07:36,585 --> 01:07:39,748 The company says they're not gonna meet 1201 01:07:39,989 --> 01:07:41,616 The company says they're not gonna give 1202 01:07:41,690 --> 01:07:45,490 They're not gonna give Monday£¬ not Tuesday£¬ not Wednesday 1203 01:07:45,594 --> 01:07:48,961 And all that time£¬ you got some more guys going in 1204 01:07:49,031 --> 01:07:51,556 and so what we're all saying is 1205 01:07:51,667 --> 01:07:54,135 you gotta either shut down the other plants 1206 01:07:54,236 --> 01:07:56,295 or£¬ like you said£¬ all go in en masse 1207 01:07:56,405 --> 01:07:58,134 and work without a contract 1208 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,071 But it's gotta be one or the other 1209 01:08:00,176 --> 01:08:01,575 lt can't be dragged out 1210 01:08:01,677 --> 01:08:05,135 and waiting for the company to give you something 1211 01:08:05,247 --> 01:08:07,977 They told you they ain't gonna give you anything else 1212 01:08:13,522 --> 01:08:17,253 Now we're looking at shutting the other operations down 1213 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:18,348 Don't you feel 1214 01:08:18,461 --> 01:08:23,558 that that's a much more pressurizing strategy 1215 01:08:23,666 --> 01:08:25,998 on this company at this time? 1216 01:08:26,102 --> 01:08:29,469 Especially in light ofthe fact that those people know 1217 01:08:29,572 --> 01:08:32,632 that whatever happens here is gonna happen to them 1218 01:08:32,741 --> 01:08:34,538 We need to communicate that 1219 01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:35,702 Mm-hmm 1220 01:08:35,978 --> 01:08:39,277 Don't you think that that's a better position to be into? 1221 01:08:39,381 --> 01:08:41,747 lfyou can't shut them down completely 1222 01:08:42,017 --> 01:08:43,075 you've accomplished nothing 1223 01:08:43,185 --> 01:08:47,645 other than getting a whole lot of people fired and out ofwork 1224 01:08:47,756 --> 01:08:53,023 What l'm saying to you is£¬ at what cost are you prepared 1225 01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:55,996 to take roving pickets to that plant? 1226 01:08:56,098 --> 01:08:57,622 What are you gonna do when they say 1227 01:08:57,733 --> 01:09:01,601 ¡°You screwed me out of a job. Now what are you gonna do?¡± 1228 01:09:01,670 --> 01:09:05,231 l'll say it. Hell£¬ there's nothing we can do for them 1229 01:09:05,341 --> 01:09:06,603 That's the risk we take 1230 01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:08,142 Not we take. They take 1231 01:09:08,210 --> 01:09:09,905 Okay. lt's the risk they take 1232 01:09:10,012 --> 01:09:11,912 We all take 1233 01:09:12,014 --> 01:09:15,677 Yeah£¬ we took it willingly£¬ and we took it to start with 1234 01:09:15,751 --> 01:09:18,584 Now for our fight£¬ we're dragging them in 1235 01:09:18,687 --> 01:09:21,383 JlM£º When does the realization come to those folks 1236 01:09:21,490 --> 01:09:24,254 that our fight is indeed their fight? 1237 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,659 When are we gonna do it ifwe don't do it now? 1238 01:09:27,763 --> 01:09:30,027 Mr. Nyberg£¬ what will Hormel do 1239 01:09:30,132 --> 01:09:33,624 if P-9 sets up picket lines at your other plants? 1240 01:09:33,702 --> 01:09:36,296 Our employees know that it is our position 1241 01:09:36,405 --> 01:09:39,374 that they'd be in violation ofthe contracts 1242 01:09:39,441 --> 01:09:41,932 ifthey voluntarily stay out 1243 01:09:42,044 --> 01:09:43,705 and honor the picket line of Local P-9 1244 01:09:43,979 --> 01:09:46,209 or however many pickets there might be 1245 01:09:46,282 --> 01:09:48,648 We know that ifthey do stay out 1246 01:09:48,751 --> 01:09:51,720 that they will be subject to replacement 1247 01:09:51,987 --> 01:09:55,252 just as employees in Austin are subject to replacement 1248 01:09:57,726 --> 01:10:00,092 The Executive Board ofLocal P-9 1249 01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:03,029 decided to recommend that the picketline be extended 1250 01:10:03,132 --> 01:10:08,035 to all otherHormelplants in an attempt to shut them down 1251 01:10:08,103 --> 01:10:10,731 With thatcame the promise that ifanyone at the otherplants 1252 01:10:11,006 --> 01:10:14,134 gotfiredforhonoring P-9's picketline 1253 01:10:14,243 --> 01:10:16,507 no P-9ers wouldreturn to theirjobs 1254 01:10:16,579 --> 01:10:20,310 until the companyagreed to rehire everyone 1255 01:10:21,684 --> 01:10:25,711 You know£¬ when you talk about being illegal 1256 01:10:25,821 --> 01:10:30,781 at one time£¬ it was illegal to go out on strike 1257 01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:34,757 At one time£¬ it was illegal to join a union 1258 01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:36,258 l guess at one time 1259 01:10:36,365 --> 01:10:40,165 it was illegal for America to even exist 1260 01:10:41,170 --> 01:10:44,469 The Executive Board has passed a motion 1261 01:10:44,573 --> 01:10:47,508 Roving pickets will be sent to other plants 1262 01:10:49,411 --> 01:10:54,246 lfthis is approved£¬ it'll send a message to the company 1263 01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:56,784 to everyone else 1264 01:10:57,052 --> 01:10:59,145 We made a promise 1265 01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:05,023 We swore we'd always remember. No retreat£¬ no surrender 1266 01:11:06,662 --> 01:11:08,630 Speaking on the motion¡­ 1267 01:11:10,332 --> 01:11:13,733 lt's a unanimous Executive Board recommendation 1268 01:11:15,304 --> 01:11:18,239 All those in favor signify by saying ¡°aye.¡± 1269 01:11:18,340 --> 01:11:20,638 CROWD£º Aye£¡ 1270 01:11:20,743 --> 01:11:22,768 Those opposed 1271 01:11:23,045 --> 01:11:24,376 Ayes have it 1272 01:11:38,661 --> 01:11:41,630 l repeat. This is a union picket line 1273 01:11:41,730 --> 01:11:44,756 We ask that you do not cross it 1274 01:11:45,034 --> 01:11:48,162 Take the day off. One damn day is all we ask 1275 01:11:48,237 --> 01:11:52,333 All Hormel plants will be shut up tight as a drum by Friday 1276 01:11:52,441 --> 01:11:55,103 There will be none running£¬ to our knowledge 1277 01:11:55,210 --> 01:11:56,700 We'd appreciate your support 1278 01:11:56,812 --> 01:11:58,404 Go home and have a cup of coffee 1279 01:11:58,514 --> 01:12:02,109 Go talk to Ma and the kids before they go to school 1280 01:12:02,217 --> 01:12:04,344 MAN£º There's no way on God's creation 1281 01:12:04,453 --> 01:12:06,978 that l'm gonna cross their picket line£¡ 1282 01:12:10,192 --> 01:12:12,353 When l looked at a guy l worked with for seven years 1283 01:12:12,461 --> 01:12:15,988 l live in the same town he does£¬ 22 miles up the road 1284 01:12:16,098 --> 01:12:18,123 And l said to him£¬ ¡°How do you feel?¡± 1285 01:12:18,233 --> 01:12:19,598 He said£¬ ¡°My heart's pumping.¡± 1286 01:12:19,702 --> 01:12:21,966 l looked at another guy l worked with for seven years 1287 01:12:22,037 --> 01:12:25,302 l said£¬ ¡°How do you feel?¡± He said£¬ ¡°My heart's pumping.¡± 1288 01:12:25,374 --> 01:12:27,740 l said£¬ ¡°Guess what? You're union people.¡± 1289 01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:30,570 We ain't crossing no picket lines£¡ 1290 01:12:30,679 --> 01:12:32,977 We ain't crossing them£¡ 1291 01:12:47,096 --> 01:12:50,327 What miracle do we expect to happen in the next three days? 1292 01:12:50,432 --> 01:12:52,263 That's the question 1293 01:12:53,135 --> 01:12:56,400 What miracle? How or why? 1294 01:12:56,505 --> 01:12:59,702 We have tremendous spirit£¬ we've got a wonderful program 1295 01:12:59,775 --> 01:13:03,575 And we seem to think that ifwe just go one day at a time 1296 01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:04,668 like an alcoholic 1297 01:13:04,780 --> 01:13:07,476 Just keep the strike going one more day 1298 01:13:07,583 --> 01:13:12,179 and after today's over£¬ it'll keep going tomorrow 1299 01:13:12,287 --> 01:13:15,484 What do we expect is gonna happen? 1300 01:13:15,591 --> 01:13:17,354 l'm mystified 1301 01:13:25,401 --> 01:13:26,493 Scabs£¡ 1302 01:13:26,602 --> 01:13:29,127 Go back to your own town£¬ scabs£¡ 1303 01:13:29,238 --> 01:13:33,106 Asshole£¡ Go to hell£¡ l hope you rot in hell£¡ 1304 01:13:37,045 --> 01:13:39,343 You're the one that really hurts£¬ Steve 1305 01:13:39,415 --> 01:13:41,474 All these other guys are dicks 1306 01:13:41,583 --> 01:13:44,984 When you went across there£¬ you really hurt 1307 01:13:45,087 --> 01:13:46,577 What the hell's the matter with you? 1308 01:13:46,688 --> 01:13:48,588 How can you work with those scabs? 1309 01:13:48,657 --> 01:13:52,218 Doesn't it bother you to go in there with guys like that? 1310 01:13:52,327 --> 01:13:53,589 Then you got no class 1311 01:13:53,695 --> 01:13:55,458 l don't know you 1312 01:13:55,564 --> 01:13:57,088 Who's your smiley partner? 1313 01:13:57,166 --> 01:13:59,999 l've known that guy since we were in grade school 1314 01:14:03,972 --> 01:14:06,497 lt's killing him inside. He's told me that 1315 01:14:06,608 --> 01:14:09,975 l tried to talk him out of it 1316 01:14:10,078 --> 01:14:12,740 He said no. lt's what he had to do 1317 01:14:14,249 --> 01:14:16,979 My wife and children have been my backbone 1318 01:14:17,085 --> 01:14:18,450 They've just. ¡°No way.¡± 1319 01:14:18,554 --> 01:14:22,490 They knew in their minds that if l did 1320 01:14:22,591 --> 01:14:24,718 l couldn't live with myself 1321 01:14:28,263 --> 01:14:30,663 RON£º lfthings haven't changed substantially 1322 01:14:30,766 --> 01:14:32,961 in two or three days 1323 01:14:33,068 --> 01:14:36,765 l will base my decision on the fact 1324 01:14:37,005 --> 01:14:40,031 that my family is number one in my life£¬ not my union 1325 01:14:40,142 --> 01:14:43,009 NARRATOR£º Are you gonna go across the picket line? 1326 01:14:43,078 --> 01:14:45,012 So it appears it 1327 01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,107 At this stage ofthe game£¬ well£¬ it would be tough 1328 01:14:49,218 --> 01:14:54,121 but l can't see any alternative 1329 01:14:54,223 --> 01:14:57,317 Now that we've been working on this for a year and a half 1330 01:14:57,426 --> 01:14:59,018 trying to figure out the difference 1331 01:14:59,127 --> 01:15:00,389 between right and wrong 1332 01:15:00,496 --> 01:15:03,556 l believe that l was a dupe£¬ l was lied to originally 1333 01:15:03,665 --> 01:15:06,691 And now he's got control of my whole life 1334 01:15:06,969 --> 01:15:09,494 On the other hand£¬ it's a question of morality 1335 01:15:09,605 --> 01:15:11,232 because l was brought up 1336 01:15:11,306 --> 01:15:13,968 that you do not cross a picket line£¬ no matter what 1337 01:15:14,076 --> 01:15:15,976 lt's something that you do not do 1338 01:15:16,044 --> 01:15:18,638 Because you don't belong to a union all these years 1339 01:15:18,747 --> 01:15:20,738 and develop all these principles 1340 01:15:21,016 --> 01:15:23,075 lt isn't like a dollar bill 1341 01:15:23,185 --> 01:15:25,517 You can't throw it on the ground and be rid of it 1342 01:15:25,587 --> 01:15:28,715 As much as l want myjob back 1343 01:15:28,991 --> 01:15:32,620 l've still been a good union member for many years 1344 01:15:32,728 --> 01:15:35,458 But l don't know 1345 01:15:35,564 --> 01:15:37,031 My family comes first 1346 01:15:37,132 --> 01:15:40,101 My daughter goes to work. She's got a part-time job 1347 01:15:40,202 --> 01:15:43,137 My boy£¬ he works at McDonald's£¬ part-time job 1348 01:15:43,238 --> 01:15:45,763 My wife goes to work. She's got a job 1349 01:15:46,008 --> 01:15:49,239 And what do l do? l sit home£¬ and l play with the cat 1350 01:15:49,344 --> 01:15:51,471 What kind of provider is that? 1351 01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:52,571 lt may sound corny 1352 01:15:52,681 --> 01:15:55,343 but a person takes pride in being a breadwinner 1353 01:15:55,417 --> 01:15:58,181 and providing for your family 1354 01:15:58,287 --> 01:15:59,515 When you can't do that 1355 01:15:59,621 --> 01:16:02,317 when you say to them£¬ ¡°All l want to do is work£¬¡± 1356 01:16:02,391 --> 01:16:04,518 and they¡­ 1357 01:16:04,626 --> 01:16:05,957 lt's tough 1358 01:16:06,061 --> 01:16:11,693 But l spent more than we should have 1359 01:16:11,767 --> 01:16:15,225 But l want to go back to work 1360 01:16:15,304 --> 01:16:18,569 And the hell with P-9 1361 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,200 l'm ready 1362 01:16:21,276 --> 01:16:22,470 NARRATOR£º ls that hard for you? 1363 01:16:22,578 --> 01:16:23,476 You bet 1364 01:16:23,579 --> 01:16:25,513 Why? 1365 01:16:25,614 --> 01:16:27,707 Not being able to -- excuse me 1366 01:16:27,983 --> 01:16:30,281 [ Voice breaking ] Provide for my family 1367 01:16:30,385 --> 01:16:32,012 [ Crying ] 1368 01:16:38,393 --> 01:16:40,520 l just can't talk no more 1369 01:18:00,142 --> 01:18:03,475 You're scared to see all them people you've worked with 1370 01:18:08,016 --> 01:18:10,917 All these people are standing there hollering at you 1371 01:18:10,986 --> 01:18:13,454 Yet£¬ you know you have to go across 1372 01:18:15,991 --> 01:18:17,925 there's some in there£¬ you think 1373 01:18:18,026 --> 01:18:20,460 ¡°l don't care ifyou ever come back.¡± 1374 01:18:22,330 --> 01:18:24,355 You see people you talk to every day 1375 01:18:24,466 --> 01:18:26,331 and it almost makes you cry 1376 01:18:26,401 --> 01:18:28,562 There are some good friends of mine 1377 01:18:35,544 --> 01:18:38,240 That's the ones you feel like you're betraying 1378 01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:48,656 -Where you guys going? -To work 1379 01:18:48,757 --> 01:18:51,624 -You got a pass for that? -You want to see our cards? 1380 01:18:51,727 --> 01:18:54,195 Just Hormel cards? You want to see them? 1381 01:18:54,262 --> 01:18:56,389 Yeah. You new employees? 1382 01:18:56,498 --> 01:18:59,899 No£¬ no. Not by any stretch ofthe imagination 1383 01:19:00,702 --> 01:19:04,365 WOMAN£º To some£¬ staying out no longer makes sense 1384 01:19:04,473 --> 01:19:06,600 There is more here than a town divided 1385 01:19:06,708 --> 01:19:09,199 as brother watches brother cross the line 1386 01:19:09,311 --> 01:19:15,045 in a place not big enough for anyone to hide for very long 1387 01:19:15,117 --> 01:19:18,211 He won't be my brother if he crosses the line 1388 01:19:24,459 --> 01:19:29,590 For me£¬ it wasn't tough to get to the point ofthe gate 1389 01:19:29,698 --> 01:19:30,528 l was ready 1390 01:19:30,632 --> 01:19:34,124 But the minute we crossed that line 1391 01:19:34,236 --> 01:19:36,466 part of me just stayed back there 1392 01:19:36,571 --> 01:19:40,007 Well£¬ unionism£¬ to me£¬ is watching out 1393 01:19:40,075 --> 01:19:43,169 not only for your own job£¬ but you're an organization 1394 01:19:43,278 --> 01:19:45,940 for the welfare and benefit of all the workers 1395 01:19:46,047 --> 01:19:51,212 And now£¬ you know£¬ for this moment£¬ we aren't 1396 01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:52,980 Because we left them 1397 01:19:56,158 --> 01:19:59,252 You know£¬ l wasn't always lnternational president 1398 01:19:59,361 --> 01:20:02,159 l used to work in the grocery stores£¬ you know 1399 01:20:02,264 --> 01:20:04,630 And l know what it is to work for peanuts 1400 01:20:04,733 --> 01:20:06,633 And you think l like the fact 1401 01:20:06,735 --> 01:20:09,727 that our people got to roll their wages back a bit? 1402 01:20:10,005 --> 01:20:10,630 l don't 1403 01:20:10,739 --> 01:20:12,434 But l tell you what 1404 01:20:12,541 --> 01:20:14,475 l don't take people over a cliff 1405 01:20:14,576 --> 01:20:17,136 There's an old rule in the labor movement 1406 01:20:17,245 --> 01:20:19,713 Anybody can put people on the street 1407 01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:22,409 lt takes a man to put them back to work. l'm sorry 1408 01:20:22,517 --> 01:20:25,281 lt takes a man or a woman to put them back to work 1409 01:20:25,353 --> 01:20:27,719 Now is the time to settle it 1410 01:20:27,823 --> 01:20:29,313 Hopefully£¬ we can work it out 1411 01:20:29,424 --> 01:20:32,154 through the course of our local union 1412 01:20:32,260 --> 01:20:36,219 lfwe don't£¬ then in a short period oftime£¬ l'll settle it 1413 01:20:36,331 --> 01:20:38,060 -Question. -l'll settle it 1414 01:20:38,166 --> 01:20:41,761 -How will you settle it? -l told you l'll settle it 1415 01:20:42,037 --> 01:20:43,732 l have a meeting. Thank you 1416 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,165 The United Food and Commercial Workers Union 1417 01:20:48,276 --> 01:20:50,801 ordered 1£¬000 members of its meatpackers local 1418 01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:53,138 to end their bitter seven-month strike 1419 01:20:53,248 --> 01:20:55,409 against Hormel in Austin£¬ Minnesota 1420 01:20:55,517 --> 01:20:57,610 The lnternational Union said it had lifted its sanction 1421 01:20:57,719 --> 01:20:58,447 ofthe walkout 1422 01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,318 and cut off $40-a-week benefits to strikers 1423 01:21:01,423 --> 01:21:03,653 But pickets remained in place through the day 1424 01:21:03,758 --> 01:21:05,692 WOMAN£º lt is a strike£¬ those on the line say 1425 01:21:05,794 --> 01:21:07,955 is becoming symbolic ofthe struggle 1426 01:21:08,063 --> 01:21:10,156 to keep trade unions alive 1427 01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:19,166 lfthey end up operating that plant nonunion 1428 01:21:19,274 --> 01:21:22,732 and your guys never get back in there 1429 01:21:23,011 --> 01:21:25,775 will you consider that a big defeat for you? 1430 01:21:26,047 --> 01:21:27,446 Or not? 1431 01:21:27,549 --> 01:21:29,574 Number one 1432 01:21:29,651 --> 01:21:32,984 if l say there's no way l could look at this as a defeat 1433 01:21:33,088 --> 01:21:35,750 then you're gonna say£¬ How can you say that? 1434 01:21:36,024 --> 01:21:38,720 Now£¬ you either win or you're gonna lose 1435 01:21:38,827 --> 01:21:42,695 And let's talk about what has happened here 1436 01:21:42,764 --> 01:21:46,461 and about the types of victory and defeat you can have 1437 01:21:46,568 --> 01:21:49,332 lf all the workers lose theirjob here 1438 01:21:49,437 --> 01:21:52,270 okay£¬ ifthat's a scenario that you're playing 1439 01:21:52,374 --> 01:21:55,775 yeah£¬ that is certainly a defeat that way 1440 01:21:56,044 --> 01:21:59,445 But when you consider the fight these people have fought 1441 01:21:59,547 --> 01:22:02,175 Are you saying that 1£¬000 guys lose theirjobs 1442 01:22:02,284 --> 01:22:04,980 and because they've got intense national attention 1443 01:22:05,086 --> 01:22:07,611 on these important problems that confront labor 1444 01:22:07,722 --> 01:22:09,155 that could still be a victory? 1445 01:22:09,257 --> 01:22:10,588 No£¬ what l am saying 1446 01:22:10,659 --> 01:22:13,389 there's been a set of dynamics that has occurred 1447 01:22:13,495 --> 01:22:17,022 both with all the people in this area£¬ within this community 1448 01:22:17,132 --> 01:22:19,498 and within the labor movement 1449 01:22:19,567 --> 01:22:23,401 That cannot be considered anything but positive 1450 01:22:41,323 --> 01:22:44,781 JlM£º l think that we at P-9 1451 01:22:45,060 --> 01:22:48,291 started this small labor dispute 1452 01:22:48,396 --> 01:22:51,524 lt quickly escalated into a labor dispute 1453 01:22:51,633 --> 01:22:54,261 that represented a lot ofthings 1454 01:22:55,704 --> 01:23:00,141 Taking on one ofthe corporate giants in an industry 1455 01:23:00,208 --> 01:23:02,972 Taking on one ofthe largest international unions 1456 01:23:03,078 --> 01:23:05,603 in the country 1457 01:23:05,714 --> 01:23:08,547 And really recognizing the forces 1458 01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:11,483 that working people have to deal with 1459 01:23:17,258 --> 01:23:23,026 lf a small union in the middle of a cornfield in Minnesota 1460 01:23:23,131 --> 01:23:27,465 can do the kinds ofthings we do¡­ 1461 01:23:28,336 --> 01:23:31,271 We just need to get about the business of doing it 1462 01:23:56,631 --> 01:23:59,532 LEWlE£º l don't believe the membership elects leaders 1463 01:23:59,634 --> 01:24:02,102 to be heroes at their expense 1464 01:24:03,004 --> 01:24:05,495 Talks about dignity and everybody going back together 1465 01:24:05,607 --> 01:24:08,337 What dignity is there when you don't have a job? 1466 01:24:08,443 --> 01:24:10,411 There's no dignity at all 1467 01:24:17,018 --> 01:24:18,679 ln June of 1986 1468 01:24:18,753 --> 01:24:22,348 the lnternational took over the local union 1469 01:24:22,457 --> 01:24:26,518 and threw out the elected leadership ofLocal P-9 1470 01:24:26,628 --> 01:24:29,426 The main things that the order covers is 1471 01:24:29,531 --> 01:24:36,403 if anybody physically confronts the UFCW£¬ ifthey remove assets 1472 01:24:36,504 --> 01:24:41,134 or ifthey hold themselves out to be representing Local P-9 1473 01:24:41,209 --> 01:24:43,177 rather than just saying they're a member of P-9 1474 01:24:43,278 --> 01:24:45,678 Do l have to say l'm suspended? 1475 01:24:45,780 --> 01:24:47,611 The order's pretty clear on that 1476 01:24:47,715 --> 01:24:49,706 l got to say l'm suspended? 1477 01:24:58,660 --> 01:25:00,025 The lnternational Union 1478 01:25:00,095 --> 01:25:02,188 negotiateda settlement with Hormel 1479 01:25:02,297 --> 01:25:05,289 whereby the people who crossed the picketline 1480 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,301 wouldreceive the same wages andbenefits as workers 1481 01:25:08,403 --> 01:25:11,065 at the otherHormelplants 1482 01:25:11,172 --> 01:25:14,608 $10.25 perhour 1483 01:25:19,147 --> 01:25:20,739 We didn't stand by the company 1484 01:25:21,015 --> 01:25:23,677 We stood by the lnternational Union 1485 01:25:23,751 --> 01:25:25,616 Kiss my ass£¡ Kiss my ass£¡ 1486 01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,347 You're full of shit 1487 01:25:27,455 --> 01:25:30,424 You went back to save your ass and save yourjob 1488 01:25:30,525 --> 01:25:32,117 By God£¬ we needed ourjobs 1489 01:25:32,227 --> 01:25:35,025 We took our chances with Hormel with the hope 1490 01:25:35,096 --> 01:25:38,088 that unionism would somehow survive 1491 01:25:38,199 --> 01:25:42,397 We left the union and we went back to ourjobs 1492 01:25:43,104 --> 01:25:44,765 That's where it was 1493 01:25:45,006 --> 01:25:46,530 [ Booing and jeering ] 1494 01:25:48,610 --> 01:25:50,601 Go ahead. You can scream and holler 1495 01:25:50,678 --> 01:25:53,169 Get that out ofyour system. Then we can proceed 1496 01:25:54,716 --> 01:25:58,413 There's one part in the contract that l must have missed 1497 01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:03,480 lt's the part that says they have to take me 1498 01:26:03,591 --> 01:26:06,321 and the rest of all these guys back 1499 01:26:06,394 --> 01:26:08,157 This is the way l feel 1500 01:26:08,263 --> 01:26:12,131 Hormel's will never take me back unless l put it in the contract 1501 01:26:12,233 --> 01:26:13,962 or you put it in the contract 1502 01:26:14,068 --> 01:26:16,002 And ifthat's not in the contract 1503 01:26:16,104 --> 01:26:19,267 all this bullshit of a contract don't mean nothing to me 1504 01:26:19,374 --> 01:26:23,208 Because how many days' vacation or how much ofthis they get 1505 01:26:23,311 --> 01:26:27,543 l don't get none of it£¬ because l didn't get back in the plant 1506 01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:30,584 The contractdidnotcontain anyprovisions 1507 01:26:30,685 --> 01:26:34,951 forthe people who honored the picketline 1508 01:26:36,457 --> 01:26:40,359 These people were placed on a waiting list 1509 01:26:40,428 --> 01:26:43,727 lt's time£¬ and l think you people have realized£¬ too 1510 01:26:43,998 --> 01:26:46,159 Had we pulled together two years ago 1511 01:26:46,267 --> 01:26:48,735 l don't think you or us would be faced with this 1512 01:26:49,003 --> 01:26:52,063 But l think it's the thing that's going on in America 1513 01:26:52,140 --> 01:26:55,007 and l think we as men and women have to realize 1514 01:26:55,109 --> 01:26:56,303 we better start pulling together 1515 01:26:56,411 --> 01:26:58,936 or£¬ by God£¬ they're gonna bury us 1516 01:27:34,182 --> 01:27:36,946 Part ofwhy it's gonna be so hard to leave 1517 01:27:37,051 --> 01:27:39,542 is because l'm gonna have to leave my mom and dad 1518 01:27:39,654 --> 01:27:41,144 My dad's still out on strike 1519 01:27:41,256 --> 01:27:44,714 and l feel like l'm abandoning him£¬ almost 1520 01:27:44,993 --> 01:27:50,522 But we feel like we have to get on with our lives for the kids 1521 01:27:50,598 --> 01:27:53,032 They need a normal atmosphere they can grow up in 1522 01:27:53,101 --> 01:27:56,002 l know my dad will be okay£¬ 'cause he's a survivor 1523 01:27:56,104 --> 01:27:58,572 And he knows that we're still behind him 100% 1524 01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:59,971 We're not abandoning him 1525 01:28:00,074 --> 01:28:03,407 We're just taking our fight somewhere else 1526 01:28:06,481 --> 01:28:09,917 As far as the strike goes£¬ it was time 1527 01:28:09,984 --> 01:28:11,110 lt was past time 1528 01:28:11,219 --> 01:28:14,711 Mike took a stand and refused to go across the picket line 1529 01:28:14,989 --> 01:28:17,981 l'm glad he wouldn't£¬ because l wouldn't have wanted him to 1530 01:28:39,113 --> 01:28:41,513 LEWlE£º You hear this business of Old Jay Hormel 1531 01:28:41,616 --> 01:28:44,050 if he was around£¬ things wouldn't run this way 1532 01:28:44,152 --> 01:28:46,313 or We got this new crop of executives 1533 01:28:46,421 --> 01:28:47,683 and they've changed the direction 1534 01:28:47,789 --> 01:28:49,586 They didn't change nothing 1535 01:28:49,657 --> 01:28:53,957 Hormel changed because it was to their advantage to change 1536 01:28:54,028 --> 01:28:56,155 They realized there was profits and growth 1537 01:28:56,264 --> 01:28:57,993 by pursuing this strategy 1538 01:28:58,099 --> 01:28:59,123 And they did it 1539 01:28:59,233 --> 01:29:00,894 All of a sudden£¬ they're not benevolent anymore 1540 01:29:01,002 --> 01:29:02,970 and they're not so paternalistic 1541 01:29:03,071 --> 01:29:06,563 They become barracudas£¬ just like everybody else 1542 01:29:09,610 --> 01:29:12,704 We can't look to unions and say£¬ ¡°You gotta stop this.¡± 1543 01:29:12,980 --> 01:29:16,347 lt's gonna take a combination of outrage from people 1544 01:29:16,417 --> 01:29:18,647 Whether you support a union or you don't 1545 01:29:18,753 --> 01:29:21,916 is it right for these companies to do this? 1546 01:29:23,091 --> 01:29:25,457 lt can't be dealt with just on the picket line 1547 01:29:25,526 --> 01:29:27,585 and just at the bargaining table 1548 01:29:32,333 --> 01:29:35,325 You're not looking at short-term fixes here 1549 01:29:51,652 --> 01:29:54,314 & When the union's inspiration & 1550 01:29:54,422 --> 01:29:57,084 & Through the workers'blood shall run & 1551 01:29:57,191 --> 01:30:00,058 & There will be no powergreater & 1552 01:30:00,161 --> 01:30:03,130 & Anywhere beneath the sun & 1553 01:30:03,197 --> 01:30:05,688 & Yet, whatforce on Earth is weaker & 1554 01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,735 & Than the feeble strength ofone? & 1555 01:30:09,003 --> 01:30:14,600 & And the union makes us strong & 1556 01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:19,442 & Solidarityforever & 1557 01:30:19,547 --> 01:30:24,007 & Solidarityforever & 1558 01:30:24,118 --> 01:30:27,747 & Solidarityforever & 1559 01:30:28,022 --> 01:30:32,550 & And the union makes us strong & 1560 01:30:32,660 --> 01:30:34,491 & ln ourarms is placeda power & 1561 01:30:34,562 --> 01:30:36,996 & Greater than theirhoardedgold & 1562 01:30:37,098 --> 01:30:39,191 & Greater than the mightofarmies & 1563 01:30:39,267 --> 01:30:41,258 & Magnifieda thousandfold & 1564 01:30:41,369 --> 01:30:43,667 & We can bring together the new world & 1565 01:30:43,771 --> 01:30:45,705 & From the ashes ofthe old & 1566 01:30:45,807 --> 01:30:50,574 & And the union makes us strong & 1567 01:30:50,678 --> 01:30:55,138 & Solidarityforever & 1568 01:30:55,249 --> 01:30:59,379 & Solidarityforever & 1569 01:30:59,487 --> 01:31:03,184 & Solidarityforever & 1570 01:31:03,291 --> 01:31:07,751 & And the union makes us strong & 1571 01:31:08,029 --> 01:31:12,295 & Solidarityforever & 1572 01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,598 & Solidarityforever &